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'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

#21

If you buy psychoactive honey/drugs online, it is on you to find out what it is and what kind of dosage you should take.

It's on you to figure out the dosage you can take, and it should be on the producer to label the dosage they're selling.

Good luck with that, doesn’t really seem like the kind of seller you can take to the FDA

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

#22

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Yes but also we need to deal with the reality of the world, which is 1) not everyone is going to and 2) they don’t deserve to die because of it.

I agree they don’t “deserve” to die, but someone comfortable with that level of risk management is quite hard to fully protect from themselves.

Most OD’s and such with drugs happens when someone trusts someone. They don’t just pick them up off the ground and go town. It’s basically the whole idea behind food safety. We don’t just expect everyone to know every detail of everything they consume.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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I imagine the native also built up tolerance over generations, not just knowledge as the article contends . Dying from a specific action is quite the evolutionary motivator

As with many psychoactive plants and foods, the adaptation here isn't so much a genetic/physiological tolerance as it is an often in-depth body of knowledge/practices for how to utilize the drug/medicine safely. Look at the notorious Datura for example which can cause you to go into a delirious state for over 2 days. The amount of preparation, processing, and knowledge that goes into administering it safely is lost o…

Datura is fucking dangerous. Deliriants are no joke in general. That one in particular is really dangerous because it grows absolutely anywhere and is very easy to identify.

Source; chemistry was my favorite class in high school and college because it helped me understand how to extract what I wanted from plants like jimsonweed and Mimosa trees.

Also no one should do that.

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Name a few. I want to be an informed person.

* Sibutramine (weight loss medication) * Suldenafil or tadalafil (ED medication) * SARMS (steroids in general) * Caffeine powder (another game of guess the dosage)

Caffeine is especially interesting, as it is commonly consumed and there are incidents where people are hospitalized because they accidentally ate too much - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8824417/ (referencing the 6000 mg here)

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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> The problem is that the gap between a medicinal dose and a toxic dose is very small

What's this claim based on? I don't think it's the rat study linked nearby. I looked through it and they didn't really compare doses.

If it's a linear effect on dropping blood pressure, that seems like an overblown way to talk about it. If it's something else, I'd love to hear more.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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>Eat a teaspoonful, and you might feel pleasantly warm and slightly lightheaded. Eat more than a few tablespoons, and your heart rate can drop to life-threatening levels.

Reminds me of the Futurama episode with the space bee honey. Wonder if the writers got the inspiration from this.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

#30

> The problem is that the gap between a medicinal dose and a toxic dose is very small What's this claim based on? I don't think it's the rat study linked nearby. I looked through it and they didn't really compare doses. If it's a linear effect on dropping blood pressure, that seems like an overblown way to talk about it. If it's something else, I'd love to hear more.

I also wondered why, if it has this effect, it has not been purified to a standard concentration (or synthesized) and used to treat high blood pressure. Possibly because accidental overdose can be fatal?
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