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Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by rangerelf »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #41

Imagine the world where open-source is collaborating instead of fragmenting. Single Linux distribution, single compartibility layer for other OSes, single graphics API, single package manager...

I get where you're coming from ivenjermakov, but the root cause of why we have a Linux, why Unix even existed, why Woz & Jobs created Apple, and so forth, is because creative, smart people want to break the hold of "common stuff".

Not to diss you, but these kind of questions ("Why another distro?", "Why another language?", "Why another ssh server/client/framework"? and so forth) have been asked zillions of times already, and the answer is always the same: the current offerings were not enough, for whatever definition of "enough" was at the time, and those offerings were tied down by whatever social structure or framework that did not work for these creative folks. I love that we have the freedom to explore with technology in the way we do.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by TheAmazingRace »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #66
laxd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real apple-people would'nt consider this anyways. Open source geeks is were they can get traction. Seems like there is plenty of us that would like fbsd quality and vertical integration to the desktop level. There is effort but no breakthroughs.

The more technical side of the Mac user base would probably jump ship if a polished, open macOS analogue appeared. There's been a lot of discontent with changes dating as far back as 10.7 Lion, and has been gradually mounting more rapidly since 10.10 Yosemite and accelerating greatly with 13 Ventura through 26 Tahoe. There's substantial demand for a spiritual successor to OS X 10.4/10.6/10.9 that isn't being filled.

Tell me about it. Those OS X versions you mentioned for Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Mavericks were some of the best releases of OS X ever.

Thankfully, macOS Golden Gate is proving to be a decent release so far in my tests of the public betas, but I do yearn for the simplicity (and more power user friendly aspects) of the aforementioned OS X releases.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by Bluestein »

terhechte wrote: post #76
cxr wrote: post #45

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Aristo already exists and looks great: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&query=aristo%20cxr&sor... >

Man I used to develop SAAS software using Cappuccino. Since I knew Objc (and JS/CSS) really well it was such a beautiful system for development. I'm sad it never went anywhere

May I ask what made it special? It does look awful "elegant" and well put together ...

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by [deleted] »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #74
Grombobulous wrote: post #67

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I’m super confused as to what is missing in the FOSS world, how does it “have little to offer?” It really sounds like you just like the macOS style and want a clone of it, and that’s certainly fine as a desire or a request, but if you like macOS, macOS is already available. For what logical reason should a project be copying macOS? I would absolutely agree that a logical reason is to run macOS apps on other platforms…

macOS isn't perfect, particularly in its incarnations since Ventura, though gripes have been piling up since the "great flattening" with Yosemite, which is why Mac users might be interested in a similar alternative. As a whole however, it works really well for some people. Better than Windows and Windows-like desktops (of which most DEs are closest to) and better than the desktoppified-mobile-OS shape of GNOME/Panthe…

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Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by phendrenad2 »

mrweasel wrote: post #54

Maybe someone more familiar with operating systems kernels can answer this: Is Darwin really all the exiting? It is different from both the BSD kernels and Linux, but less so than Windows. Other than the ability to run macOS applications (assuming you can clone the libraries and APIs from macOS) is there some benefit of Darwin that I'm not seeing?

Most kernels are kind of the same really. Some have slightly fancier inter-process communication. Leading to my all-time favorite YouTube video, an explainer on Android IPC cut like a spy thriller. I'm not even joking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb4UoqXPEtI

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

__d wrote: post #61
mrweasel wrote: post #54

Maybe someone more familiar with operating systems kernels can answer this: Is Darwin really all the exiting? It is different from both the BSD kernels and Linux, but less so than Windows. Other than the ability to run macOS applications (assuming you can clone the libraries and APIs from macOS) is there some benefit of Darwin that I'm not seeing?

XNU has some interesting features. It’s Mach based, so it has Mach ports, which are an IPC system that is fairly heavily used by macOS. It has DriverKit, which is a C++ framework for drivers that’s got morecsuppirt than the usual Unix driver model. Mach-O does more than ELF, and enables the two-layer namespacing that makes macOS able to manage dynamic linking dependencies better than ELF. Nothing really earth-shatter…

> Mach-O does more than ELF, and enables the two-layer namespacing that makes macOS able to manage dynamic linking dependencies better than ELF.

I've always admired that mach-o supports fat binaries.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by opan »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #46
jppittma wrote: post #38

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EndeavorOS. I think it's actually the userspace though, which this aims to emulate. The problem is that if you're using a macbook for final cut pro, then endeavorOS doesn't solve your problem.

Hmm, isn't EndeavorOS in the same vein as CachyOS? Mainly a pre-configured Arch variant with a custom point-and-click configurator built in? I don't see where it'd be of particular interest to would-be switchers using macOS.

Maybe they meant elementaryOS.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by saghm »

Pesthuf wrote: post #69
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #30

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I wager that maybe, probably, possibly, perhaps the GUI of this thing looks like ass and feels even worse. There used to be screenshots, you can google them. But maybe don’t.

The project says it’s in pre alpha so that’s to be expected

Literally the first two features listed on the website are "clean design" and "global menus". If they're too early to even have mockups of what that's going to look like, I have to question why they have what clearly seems to be a marketing page up publicly at all then.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by jdiff »

opan wrote: post #87
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, isn't EndeavorOS in the same vein as CachyOS? Mainly a pre-configured Arch variant with a custom point-and-click configurator built in? I don't see where it'd be of particular interest to would-be switchers using macOS.

Maybe they meant elementaryOS.

This, too, is a wholly different project that's only interested in the surface fascia of macOS.

Re: RavynOS: Pre-alpha open-source OS based on Darwin, FreeBSD, Apple open-source

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Post by mcdow »

hnlmorg wrote: post #48
mcdow wrote: post #32

from the faq: > Is this... legally sketchy? No. Consider projects like ReactOS, a from-scratch effort to create an OS compatible with Microsoft Windows, GNUstep, which provides an open implementation of Cocoa APIs and other things, or Darling, a compatibility layer for running Darwin (macOS) binaries on Linux. ravynOS is similar and stands on the shoulders of many such projects. as far as i understand it, most compan…

Microsoft definitely know about ReactOS.

not saying $TECHCO doesn’t know about X project. i’m just saying that if the average person doesn’t know about it, it’s unlikely to get shut down, as it poses no threat.
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