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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

dmix wrote: post #139
bethekidyouwant wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word for what you just described is not technocracy…

In practice it is. The whole idea of technocracy comes with a bunch of levers you can easily exploit with a bit of power and money (not just external corporations or donors, but internal like intelligence agencies). As long as you make an appearance of following the process of evidence being collected and experts being involved. And there is never a careful process to check if it was actually done right after the fac…

no true technocracy/nepotism wearing a cloak.

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Post by plufz »

ablob wrote: post #94
plufz wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that historically very bureaucratic countries have been worse to live in than dictatorships? Not sure I follow actually. It sounds very strange to me. Isn’t also the first move of all dictators to take over all institutions with their own people?

They are saying that in bureaucratic countries there is not a single entity that can be held accountable, which means that "bad" decisions, are not easily undone. Likewise it means that "good" decisions are hard to change. It is a statement about the momentum of change, not about it's worth or intention. There is no further comparison made between these governmental forms and how they affect their subjects. Why would…

Red herring how exactly? The conversation is literally:

”> In reality, they want to be dictators. Its much worse than that. They want to be unaccountable bureaucrats.”

Edit: to expand on what I mean. I read so much negativity and hyperboles here on the EU. It is full of problems absolutely but ”With a dictator you have full responsibility concentrated in a single person” is simply not true. Dictorships are master minds of shifting blame. EU has problems but what large organization works better? US? India? China? Brazil? I’m obviously biased as a European but I’d pick the eu any day.

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Post by 7bit »

trinsic2 wrote: post #102
betteryet wrote: post #57

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The dictators part is false, the EU is not a structure you can easily dictate. But this encryption backdoor thing is somebody's pet project and extremely alarming. The UK has a similar bend they've already put in place with IPA and TCNs. The US is way gone on decrypted stored data and metadata, but not on encryption backdoors yet, though legislators have tried.

Can you please explain to me why you think this is the case? Can parliament make law or not? Why is the commission the only body that can make law? Its staffed with people that appear to serve special interests. I saw this during the Stop Killing Games Where the EU commission meet with the game industry privately in EU before the decision on the Stop Destroying Video games Initiative. If there is no way to challenge…

A dictatorship needs a dictator. The EU parliament is made of several bodies. There never can be a dictatorship. People who claim "dictatorship!" should learn to express themselves properly

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Post by glub »

How is this not an indication of a failed system? Why does EU/EC/etc system even allow for the same failed initiative to be pushed again and again under a different candy wrap with a rate of a machine gun?

Not always a different wrap even. They can essentially do "let's end the encryption this quarter, eh?" "No? Okay, we'll try in 3 months".

Sure, this may be a topic that flies under the radar of common people, because they mostly do not understand implications well enough, but what if it was a push for something that is understandable as very sinister by everyday person?

Would the system allow that?

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Post by hn_submit »

Why are European citizens unable to put this to rest? Why aren't there mass protests against these totalitarian plans?

I believe it has to do with the influx of Muslim migrants and the instability it brings in European societies which could lead to civil war. Politicians realize they need more tools in their toolbox to put a lid on possible unrest, dissent, protests against immigration and upheaval.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

modo_mario wrote: post #185
marcus_holmes wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The far right are picking wedge issues not from principle, but from political expediency. In the UK they've switched from attacking immigrants to attacking disability benefits, because the clampdown on immigration was effective (though they obviously are continuing to shout about immigration and immigrants). So if the "open-door" immigration policy didn't exist, they would have picked something else as the wedge issu…

>because the clampdown on immigration was effective (though they obviously are continuing to shout about immigration and immigrants They still have 2-3 times the amount of migration they did in the 90's and that is assuming they're not masively underestimating again?

It's more the "small boats" crap that has reduced and therefore reduced their ability to shout about it.
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