Live data from Hacker News

Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

fortune.com

411–420 of 472 posts

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, which is why I used the image of "missing the forest for the tree, even if the tree is huge". But it's our consumption and expectations that feed into it.

And that image is wrong. If the tree is that big then it's okay to focus on it.

Even a huge tree, is still a tree in the forest. You need to look at consumption patterns, not just energy, which derive from the first anyway.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like speaking with a chatbot. The focus of the discussion is topic is how dangerous is cattle farming to the planet. The answer is very, I gave you numbers, you're free to debunk them. The topic of whether red meat is category 1 or 2 carcinogenic is less of an interest to this thread. If you want to keep your diet, keep it, it doesn't change it has an insane impact on the planet in terms of greenhouse gases…

Beef can be raised carbon negative, it’s just more expensive. Maybe not scalable to 8 billion, I don’t know, but the man buying meat from a butcher buying from small farms raising grass fed cows is not the problem (it’s the corn that makes them fart, can’t digest as well)

Can you explain how raising an animal can be carbon negative?

It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. How can any mammal capture more carbon than they release?

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#413
post #76

AMOC collapse [0] is Europe's potential big climate challenge. Nasty business. I wonder how to help prevent that from happening. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

Bluntly: too late. You'd have to rewind to 2001 or so and go on the strictest measures worldwide. But we are utterly unequipped to deal with global issues, the Ozon layer success notwithstanding.

From the above linked Wikipedia:

>Historically, CMIP models, the gold standard in climate science, show the AMOC is very stable; although it may weaken, it will always recover [...] In 2020, research estimated if warming stabilizes at 1.5 °C (2.7 °F), 2 °C (3.6 °F) or 3 °C (5.4 °F) by 2100; [...] does not approach collapse,

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#414
post #76

AMOC collapse [0] is Europe's potential big climate challenge. Nasty business. I wonder how to help prevent that from happening. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

Unironically the anti nuclear luddites killed the main chance to be divert climate change that we had over unfounded fearmongering

Too much about nuclear safety was based on trust and if that fails the consequences are huge. In Europe we learned the hard way what it means if a plant is not safely build and how bad the communication is when there is an accident.

And then you are also going to trust the same people when they are saying the waste issue is solved.

If your arguments are luddites and fearmongering you have not improved trust in any way.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with AI really. It's a century of pumping out CO2, not 2 years. Maybe in the future... but you can't blame AI for this year.

Yea but I bet if you still had beavers in Europe you'd still have water.

Funny. We have beavers in the Lobau in Vienna. But it's still dry. And yet we want to build a highway tunnel through it. Guess we just need more beavers. It's famous for it's naturism anyway.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#416
post #309

Reading some of these comments is really depressing. Since I can remember we talk about climate change and it's still not in peoples head. When will it be real? When your home burns down due to a forest fire? When there is no water? When there is no food because everything is too dry? When a storm destroyed your home?

I find most comments differ from scientific reality in both directions - denial one way panic the other. It's no doubt real and I think most people accept that but it may be dealable with.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#417
where i live in central america, there's normally rain almost every day from may to September. We've had rain perhaps twice in the past 2+ months. Meanwhile, on the other side of the country (and a mountain range), they have had lots of flooding. Crops lost in both cases.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but you're just lucky, or still young, or aren't really measuring, or aren't optimizing. Which is fine. But it's not nice to tax other people's medicine.

1. There's no evidence that carnivore diet has any long term benefit, as this 2026 article that reviews all of the available literature points out. In fact there's more evidence of the contrary. > The Carnivore Diet may offer short-term health benefits but carries substantial risks of nutrient deficiencies, reduced intake of health-promoting phytochemicals, and the development of cardiovascular disease. At this time,…

It's not social media diet, it was invented to help children with epilepsy. The same diet works in other scenarios (diabetes 1 & 2, bipolar, schizophrenia, adhd are some examples).

> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12845189

Again, it's very hard to form correct opinions when you're not in the trenches and just read stuff online.

A (complex) example: are bad blood lipids actually bad when you're very fit? This is being researched, might take some years. It's a complex topic, see "lean mass hyper responder" or "The cholesterol code" documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z8bUb1P94 . (this is the cardiovascular angle)

> 2. On the contrary, the mediterranean diet is one of the most studied and backed with more evidence behind its long term health benefits.

Yet it doesn't work in any of the scenarios I said.

It's not a bad diet, but it's a random diet IMO, no thought went into it, or some evolutionary design (I live in a mediterranean country and ate it by default).

ps: the mediterranean should work on type 2 diabetes. But what happens if eating even some plain/simple/good carbs/sweets/fruits still triggers your brain so high-carb food remains an addiction in your head? The only solution might be to quit even the "good" carbs, so after some time, you have no triggers/urges for bad food and can live in peace.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#419
post #79

But at least we can talk to search engines now

This has nothing to do with AI really. It's a century of pumping out CO2, not 2 years. Maybe in the future... but you can't blame AI for this year.

AI has quite a lot to do with current policy. I thought we were going to have carbon emissions peak with electric cars and the like and now suddenly everyone wants to build tens of GW of data centers powered by gas turbines. Although I'm not anti AI, I could back limiting data center build out to available green energy.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

#420
post #309

Reading some of these comments is really depressing. Since I can remember we talk about climate change and it's still not in peoples head. When will it be real? When your home burns down due to a forest fire? When there is no water? When there is no food because everything is too dry? When a storm destroyed your home?

For Americans, at lest, it will take that kind of personal tragedy.

Those who are most loudly opposed to universal healthcare switch their story instantly when they or a loved one gets in a terrible accident or develops nasty cancer. The jump to the socialism of go fund me in a heartbeat.

I think it will be the same with climate change. Entire cities or states could be really bad with millions displaced or dying but others will still deny it because they are fine. Once it hits them personally, they’ll be screaming bloody murder blaming everyone and saying they need assistance.

Post reply on HN