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Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#241

I like the idea that arbitrary constraints can actually improve writing. Without a constraint, it's easy to fall back on familiar phrasing, while having to work around something unusual forces you to reconsider each word. I wonder if this applies to programming and other creative work too.

> I wonder if this applies to programming and other creative work too.

It does. It’s a know aphorism that constraints bread creativity. A couple of examples (one of deliberate constraints and another of accidental constraints):

Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt created “Oblique Strategies” as ways to challenge yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies

The Köln Concert, which is “the best-selling solo album in jazz history and the best-selling piano album” was improvised because there was a mixup and Keith Jarrett was given a terrible piano.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Köln_Concert

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#242

4 leading spaces, is that right? Let's see... I used to write all my online posts like this in my early days of having own personal email address. My primary email is from 1991 and I used it, and DOS-based tools, to go online from 1991 until the late 1990s. At 1st I ran DOS tools from a floppy, then on my own PC with OS/2 2, then under Win95, then under NT 4. Gradually all the tools that were current at the time beca…

Heh. It worked. Maybe I should start writing all my HN responses like this. :-) In the early '90s I occasionally wrote circular messages, and once, I recall spending a good chunk of an hour composing one in the shape of a Christmas-tree: stacked triangles, gradually getting wider from the top to the bottom of the "tree". One letter wide at the very tip, and then 2 at the top of the next triangle. The bottom of each t…

No, please. It doesn’t wrap correctly on narrow mobile screens.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#243
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And are British, at least in Australia (and the US, I guess?) we pronounce the second "i". It is always fun when you notice where someone is from based on secondary clues like that -- my favourite is the choice of "a" or "an" where it is ambiguous (for instance, I recently ran across "an HTTP request" where I would've said "a HTTP request").

The term for this is a "shibboleth", if it's of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

  A shibboleth is a little more specific: it's the pronunciation of one
  specific sound in a different way that marks out a person as from one
  specific group. 

  So, some of the go-tos... New Zealand English tends to turn an /i/ in
  even stressed positions into schwa (the sound on the end of "little",
  or "umbrella", or "gopher", and one of the key sounds to master for a
  non-native learner who wants to improve their English accent). When a
  Kiwi says "fish and chips" it sounds like "fush and chups", "swimming
  pool" becomes "swumming pool", and this is _the_ way to distinguish a
  Kiwi from an Australian, because to the rest of the Anglophone world,
  NZ English sounds very like Aus English.

  Canadians tend to pronounce the "ow" sound in words like "about" in a
  way that to my British ear sounds Scottish: it becomes "aboot". So if
  I hear someone speaking with an American sounding accent but they say
  "I found oot aboot something," I ask them if they're Canadian. I tend
  to find most Canadians and New Zealanders are delighted if someone is
  able to tell, so ask very early on and you can make new friends. :-)

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#244

this is only tangentially related to the article, but I've always found text justification strange. For me paragraphs with ragged edges are easier to read than justified paragraphs, because the irregular ending point helps me keep track of where I am. And justification can lead to some very odd-looking lines. So I've just never quite understood why it's so common in typesetting

People will bend over backwards to rationalize it but the actual explanation is quite simple: 16th-century typesetters saw it as beautiful, and a norm was born.

IIRC, the somewhat random allocation of trailing silent "e"s in English spelling can partly be explained by typesetters trying to fill lines.

Totally agree with you BTW. I find justification ugly as sin.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#245

I wonder if at any point during writing, the heroic author of that Super Metroid guide learned that "missiles" are not spent "missles", and decided to own the mistake rather than reword the entire guide. Also, the font used for the monospace examples in the post is a great kick to the nostalgia. Which one is it? It reminds me of https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_vga_...

The misspelling seems to be consistent (>200 times), though it seems like a quite common one. A 1982 DOS game was even titled "Missle Strike", long before Metroid was released.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#246
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post #37

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> learned that "missiles" are not spent "missles" I choose to believe that the author was channeling the spirit of Noah Webster as a deliberate champion of phonetic spelling reform.

I'd argue that "le" is not really phonetic to how people pronounce words ending in that; "missils" would be more phonetic

> "missils" would be more phonetic

  Only for Americans. In British English, it's "MISS isle", and "MISSul" is
  a church book. I'm not Christian and I am not sure of exactly what's in a
  _missal_ but it's prayers or something.

  I do not know if American English even has missals. They're old fashioned
  things these days, I think. But in my dialect, "missile" and "missal" are
  two different words with 2 different sounds, which means that when I hear
  Americans talking about the fast moving weaponry what I hear is that they
  are launching prayer books at someone. It's not a very common word and so
  I keep forgetting.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. It worked. Maybe I should start writing all my HN responses like this. :-) In the early '90s I occasionally wrote circular messages, and once, I recall spending a good chunk of an hour composing one in the shape of a Christmas-tree: stacked triangles, gradually getting wider from the top to the bottom of the "tree". One letter wide at the very tip, and then 2 at the top of the next triangle. The bottom of each t…

No, please. It doesn’t wrap correctly on narrow mobile screens.

It seems to wrap correctly in landscape mode.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#248

Agents get a little upset when you ask them to do this and then check their work with a hook. They do not enjoy the process and create some weird looking text!

> They do not enjoy the process

  Dude, it's a text prediction engine. It can no more "enjoy" a process than a
  stapler enjoys poking wire through paper. 

  Don't kid yourself. It's the first step down a slippery slope, one that ends
  in assigning gender to a bunch of statistics, falling in love with it, and a
  lot of terrible software, writing, pictures, and so on. It's a machine. Make
  sure not to anthropomorphise inanimate machinery.

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#249

In programming certain word choices are valuable in this way. It's sad that pairs like true/false, good/bad, first/rest, and left/right are unequal length. But there are nice pairs like old/new, head/tail, fast/slow, same/diff, and right/wrong, which can help with create natural vertical alignment throughout a function.

> old/new, head/tail, fast/slow, same/diff, and right/wrong also some abbreviations work fine: min max row col beg (vs start) end key val src dst pos len and we have public_key secret_key (vs private) from till push pull load save init done inner outer ----- and if you speak Norwegian you have two options: ja yes no nei but that may trigger a different kind of OCD :-)

Forgot the ever succinct

  get
  put

Re: “I just chose words carefully”

#250

Wow, autism in action ;-P Choosing words that carefully takes some serious dedication. Imagine the backtracking required...

  > Choosing words that carefully takes some serious dedication.

  No it doesn't. If you're careful about how you speak and how you write then
  it takes next to no additional effort at all. I used to do this with all of
  my online responses, and it's been fun to do it again in this thread today.
  Note my responses in this comment thread as a whole. Even though I have not
  done this more than once or twice this century, it barely slows me down. At 
  a guess, maybe it adds 10% or so to the time it takes to type a comment...?

  > Imagine the backtracking required...

  Virtually none. For some lines I might occasionally have to go back a three
  or four words, that's all. It's quite fun: some dusty rusty old bits of the
  old grey matter have been woken up and exercised, and they're rather liking
  being up in the sunlight again. :-)
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