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Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by Bluestein »

jareklupinski wrote: post #35
Silhouette wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option A: If you have a tiger in your room then make sure it's properly caged. Put up warning signs so everyone knows. Add physical barriers to prevent people too young or impaired to read the warning signs from approaching close enough for the tiger to reach out of the cage and maul them. Ensure adequate processes are in place for feeding the tiger at regular intervals using a safe method and clearing out the mess f…

Option C: put the tiger in someone else's room :)

Option D: Be the tiger, my friend :)

Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by sharperguy »

Silhouette wrote: post #31
rafaelmn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be containerizing your dev environments these days even if you're not using LLMs - supply-chaining is getting too insane to follow. No dev tools installed outside of VM/containers on my machines. I'm even paranoid about VSCode because of plugins.

Option A: If you have a tiger in your room then make sure it's properly caged. Put up warning signs so everyone knows. Add physical barriers to prevent people too young or impaired to read the warning signs from approaching close enough for the tiger to reach out of the cage and maul them. Ensure adequate processes are in place for feeding the tiger at regular intervals using a safe method and clearing out the mess f…

Option A: If you have 1 ton metal machines powered by exploding liquid driving at 60 miles per hour around your neighborhood make sure the wheel is properly pointed in the right direction. Designate specific areas where the machine are allowed to move. Train parents to keep their children or impaired away from those areas. Ensure adequate processes are in place from training the drivers of the machines so they know where they are allowed to drive and where not. Take into account evolving environmental regulations. Ensure safety barriers are used in areas where the vehicles are liable to lose control. Place signs around to remind forgetful drivers of the specific rules of driving in a specific area, or issues such as ice and snow that could cause the vehicle to crash. Make sure drivers pay large insurance premiums to ensure they can pay for any damages caused by their vehicle. Give traffic police their own vehicles in order to apprehend anyone not following the rules. Budget for all of this and ensure there is a long term plan for maintaining the car and everything that goes with it.

Option B: Walk everywhere

Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by buescher »

sharperguy wrote: post #42
Silhouette wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option A: If you have a tiger in your room then make sure it's properly caged. Put up warning signs so everyone knows. Add physical barriers to prevent people too young or impaired to read the warning signs from approaching close enough for the tiger to reach out of the cage and maul them. Ensure adequate processes are in place for feeding the tiger at regular intervals using a safe method and clearing out the mess f…

Option A: If you have 1 ton metal machines powered by exploding liquid driving at 60 miles per hour around your neighborhood make sure the wheel is properly pointed in the right direction. Designate specific areas where the machine are allowed to move. Train parents to keep their children or impaired away from those areas. Ensure adequate processes are in place from training the drivers of the machines so they know w…

Option C: Let the tiger drive, and pretend there is no human to hold accountable

Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by zombot »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #3
philipp-gayret wrote: post #2

Not the first to discover that a rule file saying "please don't do X" is not permission management. Funny that she mentions it worked on het toy inbox but the real, large inbox ran into issues; The more context you add the less weight "rules" (instructions) have. Happens to the best it seems.

> The more context you add the less weight "rules" (instructions) have That is such a basic flaw in LLMs

After all, "rules" are just input, like everything else. They don't have any special status.

Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by seanwilson »

phrotoma wrote: post #40
rafaelmn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be containerizing your dev environments these days even if you're not using LLMs - supply-chaining is getting too insane to follow. No dev tools installed outside of VM/containers on my machines. I'm even paranoid about VSCode because of plugins.

Containerizing sucks when you want to work on something containerized. If your goal is to have the agent iterate on a container it's much less headache to just put the whole thing in a VM and let it `docker build` and `docker run` whatever it wants to.

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Re: Meta Security Researcher's AI Agent Accidentally Deleted Her Emails

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Post by birdsongs »

neilv wrote: post #32
dgellow wrote: post #26

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> So I was more stern with Claude than I would normally be with a human Just a reminder they aren’t entities, you can curse and be as angry at them as needed for them to behave the way you want, you don’t have to be polite or consider how rude something is if it is effective at getting the model to generate responses you want. Prompting a LLM is a way to use the tool for a specific output, not to have a discussion wi…

True, but I don't want to risk conditioning myself to being abusive to a tool, and then accidentally be insensitive when talking with a colleague in text chat during a late night MVP marathon final stretch or something. I think I probably wouldn't depersonalize people, but with the AI UIs acting very similar to an (overconfident) colleague at times, and spending lots of time with them, I don't know for sure that that…

I've gotten the same advice and I hate it, I agree with you completely. My brain can't tell the difference between this and a person, regardless of what's actually there (humans anthropomorphize everything, this is in our nature), and being abusive here has real impacts on me, because to my psyche, it's the same as being abusive to another person.

Perhaps that makes me weak or whatever, but I don't care. I don't like the way it makes me feel. It's the same reason I'm not going to hit my car or computer when it doesn't work. It's not because I think they have feelings. It's because that makes me feel bad, and I don't want to ever normalize that as a response to something, regardless of the target.

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