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Algorithmic rent-pricing litigation expands under new state and local laws

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Re: Algorithmic rent-pricing litigation expands under new state and local laws

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Just as well I’m not arguing for rent control or any particular policy then isn’t it? I’m pointing out that the “it’s my property I can do what I want” attitude needs to be balanced with public needs for housing, because society isn’t purely about optimising the content of your wallet, and extreme deregulation results in slums. (Your linked paper there also says that rent control results in more properties having aff…

> (Your linked paper there also says that rent control results in more properties having affordable rent at the low end of the market, but less overall rental property supply, indicating a reduction at the higher end. Your conclusion is completely wrong. What happens when you reduce the higher end of the rental property range? Do you think the people who would have been renting those properties simply vanish? Disappe…

> Do you think the people who would have been renting those properties simply vanish? Disappear from the rental market?

Actually yes, entirely unironically.

We even have evidence of this dynamic in Melbourne. When various tax measures were taken that sucked some of the profit out of investment properties, making landlordism less attractive, we saw there was less competition for house purchasing from well-funded investors. This in turn allowed would-be owner-occupiers to buy more houses, as they were no longer forced into rentals they didn't want, no longer outcompeted by those with easier access to larger lines of credit. This reduces the population of people seeking rentals.

Result - decline in the absolute numbers of rental properties in the city, but an increase in rental property vacancy and a slight decrease in rents.

> Any policy that reduces overall housing supply is a loss for the low end.

Except it doesn't reduce the overall housing supply, because overall housing supply includes both rental properties and owner-occupied properties. Those houses don't just disappear.

You're making the (false) assumptions that there is no interplay between the two markets and that everyone that lives in a rented house wants to live in a rented house.

Re: Algorithmic rent-pricing litigation expands under new state and local laws

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1. There are 90 million single family homes in the US 2. If you want to live in a house, but for less than 5 years, it is better to rent 3. If corporations really want to buy all the houses, there's a business opportunity for you. Build houses and sell them to the corporations at exorbitant prices. 4. Nobody is making anybody sell their home to a corporation. 5. Renting out homes does not reduce the supply of housing…

1. And? Most are occupied. How many unoccupied SFHs are there? 2. I am a home owner. There is a certain subset of the populace that likes to act as though renters have it so easy, because owning a home is a never ending stream of credit card swipes for the next four (or five) digit maintenance expense - when they're not posting memes talking about not having to pay property tax or insurance or even utilities, as if l…

> And?

Tens of thousands is not significant wrt 94 million.

> 2.

If you ever owned a vacant home, not only are you still going to have to pay all the usual bills, you'll be dealing with vandalism, squatters, and that undetected roof leak that ruins the interior. Thinking that "tax losses" are the way to make money does not work. If you don't believe me, buy a rental and see how it goes as a landlord. Personally, I want nothing to do with being a landlord.

> People don't generally flee socialism, but corruption

The two go hand in hand. See "Learing Centers".

Re: Algorithmic rent-pricing litigation expands under new state and local laws

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New York’s rent control works differently from the Bay Area’s. It’s absolutely worth it to just raise the rent on a Bay Area unit if it’s rent controlled even if that means it runs empty. That isn’t usually the case in New York.

Fix it.

Not my city.
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