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I use mine to manage a paperclip factory.
How is it going so far?
It keeps asking for more and more compute. I also see a bunch of my household items turn into paperclips.
OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
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Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#62I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?
Nobody actually uses openclaw. [0]
It's all just marketing.
[0] https://trends.google.com/explore?q=openclaw&date=today%201-...
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#63I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…
No problem/con here, but I think the main reason for openclaw became famous is that it was a harness you could connect via messaging apps (esp telegram).
That way you could have an assistant with your full computer context available on the go.
Additionally, it’s super battery-included, pretty much the opposite of pi
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Yeah that's true, and in many cases the AI just sets up a cronjob and a script (and a mailbox, and an interface to telegram, and a reporting structure). But it's nice that in case of errors it handles the edge cases or it fixes the scripts. It can give the crontable over telegram, you can pause it for the holiday "Number one, pause all processing until further notice"... But sure, it's not "rocket science", in fact,…
"Number one, pause all processing until further notice"... Because OpenClaw (well, all AI) is well known for following instructions correctly. https://au.pcmag.com/ai/116091/meta-security-researchers-ai-...
There are reasons to be careful indeed, but for me all instructions were followed nicely so far.
Yesterday I had Claude (in CC) do a large number of changes to my codebase using a bash script, even though I was in planning mode and in claude.md it says: Always first list the steps you're going to take before execution. It apologized of course... But I know how LLMs can be. I take that into account.
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#65OpenClaw trend was like Pokémon Go from 2016. A bunch of mindless people followed a trend just because it was a trend.
Imho it say something about you that you see people that experiment with new things as "mindless people". I'll go search for my mind now, thanx.
Did they create test cases, wrote a protocol about the results?
Just trying something out and see what happens isn’t experimenting
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
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I believe the thing which makes OpenClaw interesting is you can just ask it to do these things and it just does. Rather than you having to write these scripts. I understand with LLMs, writing these scripts would now be trivial, but I believe this is even more convenient.
At least writing scripts you know what it will and won’t do, with open claw it will probably do what you want and maybe won’t do anything you don’t want.
You can check the scripts and cronjobs, als ask it to summarize the scripts actions (using another agent/model if you want). All in all, LLMs are not 100% trustworthy but generally things go as intended.
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#67I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?
Imagine if your post read like this:
> I like the idea but do not have a good use for these employees. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them?
> It sounds great to have an employee which does things. Like an assistant. I have assistants. They even have email and mobile phones so you can communicate with them conveniently. And then what?
Now, the caveat, is you have to imagine that these employees have access to your email (including ability to send email when they want), and text messages, and Slack and, well, everything. And they might have access to your debit and credit cards. You're going to have to trust them quite a lot, but when you read the references you realise that a lot of people seem to think they lie and make things up. Oh, and they occasionally commit a felony - oopsie! - and will lie to you about it consistently.
These particular employees are interesting enough to various groups of people that they are studied for signs of psychopathy and malicious intent (is that a warning sign for a new employee?), and there is evidence of both, but honestly, it's fine.
So, yeah, whatever you'd use employees for, as assistants to your life. Particularly psychopathic, malicious, lying, unreliable employees. You'd use them for that stuff. What's not to like?
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
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I think this is a good question, as with any of these new things you don't really feel any need indeed. My claw scrapes some APIs, receives some emails with job listings, and matches it all to my profile. It can also fill two folders at 2 domains with anything (ie a demo for a website). It can also receive emails, make PFDs out of them and forward them to my bookkeeping software (which can only deal with attachments,…
Is it just me or all you describe would be easily scriptable like 5 years ago? Not being confrontational, it’s just that every description of what OpenClaw does sounds quite… not disruptive at all for something that was hailed as the biggest invention since sliced bread.
100% easily scriptable. Just like running an (S)FTP server is easy, and Dropbox is not at all disruptive.
Except you're overestimating the barrier to entry of scripting for the overwhelming majority of people. OpenClaw is not disruptive because it does something that wasn't possible before, it's disruptive because it enables more people to do the thing that was limited to fewer people.
Where I get confused is why my techie friends are all going bananas over claws... they all know how to script already, and are crying about burning through multiple $200 claude subscriptions a month, filtering email. This I can't understand.
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#69I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?
Job search and language learning. The job market for juniors and mid level is crazy. Everyone has a different form to fill out with the same questions. My wife has countered this by using Hermes and some handcrafted master files/db.
I personally use the Matt Pocock teaching skill to learn dutch, passed reading using it, on track to pass writing with it.
Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally
#70Still a no from me until these things can display any degree of intuition, and even then it's probably still a no. You're asking for trouble if you hook an autonomous agent up to anything that you care about. You're insanely naive if you give it access to everything. OpenAI can't even monitor its own shit properly with teams of well paid engineers, and you are one novel prompt injection technique away from your entir…
Totally. Nothing has really changed since GPT-2.0, it’s a stagnant technology.