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OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by hirako2000 »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #23

Still a no from me until these things can display any degree of intuition, and even then it's probably still a no. You're asking for trouble if you hook an autonomous agent up to anything that you care about. You're insanely naive if you give it access to everything. OpenAI can't even monitor its own shit properly with teams of well paid engineers, and you are one novel prompt injection technique away from your entir…

OpenAI bought a hyped ingenious idea, plagued with holes, thinking it could surf the wave.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by teekert »

system2 wrote: post #5

OpenClaw trend was like Pokémon Go from 2016. A bunch of mindless people followed a trend just because it was a trend.

Imho it say something about you that you see people that experiment with new things as "mindless people". I'll go search for my mind now, thanx.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by cheeze »

blfr wrote: post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

I use something like OpenClaw. For me the big benefit isn't so much the autonomous nature but the organizational structure. The one I use exposes an MCP and lets me control it via talking to an LLM _in the tool_ which is really powerful. EG "audit this", "in X thread we were discussing Y, can you pull that information", etc. And the organizational structure just... makes a ton of sense to me. Don't have to set up a ton of steering and whatnot, it just kinda works.

Being able to use the search to find and resume an old thread is fantastic. The thing I use lets me use whatever underlying CLI that I want, which IMO the biggest limitation on Claude Code or whatnot is that you... have to use Claude models. Sometimes I wanna use sol, sometimes a cheap chinese model, etc. And I want sol with 1m context.

I know there are other tools out there that can do this. I know some people love their tmux/cmux, but IMO the thing that matters the most is being comfy and knowing the tool well. Hell, James Gosling used NetBeans when I talked to him in 2023. Know the tool well and that matters the most, IMO.

For me, it helps with my ADHD brain. And I could spend all day just researching and trying new tools, they are a dime a dozen these days.

Pulling some stats, I have 25 "tabs", and across all of those, I have 1,298 unique threads. 9,539 unique messages.

It works for me, but I don't care about the autonomous part.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by aldanor »

camillomiller wrote: post #21
teekert wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a good question, as with any of these new things you don't really feel any need indeed. My claw scrapes some APIs, receives some emails with job listings, and matches it all to my profile. It can also fill two folders at 2 domains with anything (ie a demo for a website). It can also receive emails, make PFDs out of them and forward them to my bookkeeping software (which can only deal with attachments,…

Is it just me or all you describe would be easily scriptable like 5 years ago? Not being confrontational, it’s just that every description of what OpenClaw does sounds quite… not disruptive at all for something that was hailed as the biggest invention since sliced bread.

It's also things like being able to change runtime configs in human language without having to turn to computer, eg "please also track when this artist is in my area". Nothing revolutionary, but kinda the whole point? Tell it what to do, it goes off, does some chores and searches, updates some configs so that later on some crons would use them.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by ssl-3 »

c0rruptbytes wrote: post #26
Almondsetat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"hey computer, i want to watch a movie on my jellyfin server tonight, get it done" and openclaw autonomously finds the torrent, downloads it, moves it to the NAS, and you sit down at the end of the day with everhything set up

the rr suite seems much better for that

The same concept works with the arrs, too, doesn't it?

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by xcjs »

blfr wrote: post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

Mine is contributing to media preservation by reverse engineering Android apps/games that were forced into obsolescence by Google's policies: https://xcjs.com/blog/2026/08/29/resurrecting-2013-with-qwen...

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by ky-hy »

ik_ben_paul wrote: post #18
system2 wrote: post #5

OpenClaw trend was like Pokémon Go from 2016. A bunch of mindless people followed a trend just because it was a trend.

And, perhaps in both cases, because they had fun with it?

mindful people as opposed to mindless people don't have fun, they are occupied with bringing value to shareholders /s

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by nsonha »

how many people fall into the openclaw trap because they just need a way to command agents from mobile, and cron tasks? Only thing I am missing with codex is the ability to recall anything from any session (I see it in this openclaw "2" release note so I guess it wasn't in openclaw "1" anyway). I guess claude and codex can look up transcripts globally too, just not as a first class feature.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by tvbusy »

Almondsetat wrote: post #17
blfr wrote: post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

"hey computer, i want to watch a movie on my jellyfin server tonight, get it done" and openclaw autonomously finds the torrent, downloads it, moves it to the NAS, and you sit down at the end of the day with everhything set up

AI is a terrible choice for this task. Radarr does this much better with plenty of built-in as well as community guides for configuration. Add a mobile app for Radarr and it's as convenient as it can be.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by petesergeant »

flashblaze wrote: post #29
camillomiller wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just me or all you describe would be easily scriptable like 5 years ago? Not being confrontational, it’s just that every description of what OpenClaw does sounds quite… not disruptive at all for something that was hailed as the biggest invention since sliced bread.

I believe the thing which makes OpenClaw interesting is you can just ask it to do these things and it just does. Rather than you having to write these scripts. I understand with LLMs, writing these scripts would now be trivial, but I believe this is even more convenient.

Yeah, that's absolutely a real phenomenon, but I don't think it's especially OpenClaw-specific: I have lots of folders that are just collections of instructions and scripts that have mostly started with a prompt, and that I run sandboxed agents over. Previously I'd have considered automating them, but now it's just "fire up sandbox in a project folder, let the tool build itself". I wrote about this a bit here: https://sgnt.ai/p/the-software-i-stopped-writing/
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