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Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by chews »

yonran wrote: post #20

The article is very one sided, implying without evidence that Flock is for recreational tracking of individuals. With San Francisco SFPD’s ALPR cameras at least, this would be an abuse of the cameras according to the policy linked from https://transparency.flocksafety.com/san-francisco-ca-pd . Here are the Authorized purposes: Locate stolen, wanted, and or other vehicles that are the subject of investigation To appre…

161 people in LA were stopped for bad data using flock cameras. The contract with them is canceled but the damn things are still up giving data to DHS probably.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by defrost »

yonran wrote: post #20

The article is very one sided, implying without evidence that Flock is for recreational tracking of individuals. With San Francisco SFPD’s ALPR cameras at least, this would be an abuse of the cameras according to the policy linked from https://transparency.flocksafety.com/san-francisco-ca-pd . Here are the Authorized purposes: Locate stolen, wanted, and or other vehicles that are the subject of investigation To appre…

Not on the list, but documented:

* Live monitoring of teenagers in gyms for sales purposes,

* Multiple counts of stalking by LEOs,

* Instances of unsecured access,

* Multiple erroneous plate matching directly leading to "swatting" of women and children on day to day shopping trips.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by soulofmischief »

yonran wrote: post #20

The article is very one sided, implying without evidence that Flock is for recreational tracking of individuals. With San Francisco SFPD’s ALPR cameras at least, this would be an abuse of the cameras according to the policy linked from https://transparency.flocksafety.com/san-francisco-ca-pd . Here are the Authorized purposes: Locate stolen, wanted, and or other vehicles that are the subject of investigation To appre…

The unwarranted mass surveillance and dragnet part. We have a thing called the fourth Constitutional amendment here in the United States. We also have the first amendment, which the Supreme Court has ruled in the past must not be subject to a "chilling effect".

The Flock camera system, and any dragnet surveillance system, is a direct chilling effect to the rights to freedom of speech, freedom from religious persecution and freedom of assembly.

The inalienable aspect of these rights means that literally no example or rationalization you can provide would justify impacting those rights for even a single individual or group.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by HDBaseT »

webdoodle wrote: post #15

Ironically most of the people reading this are doing so on an always connected phone with a fused battery, that they can't trust, because they don't control it. It also has significantly more capabilities that a flock camera, and they likely pay for it too.

false equivalence.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by kadoban »

webdoodle wrote: post #15

Ironically most of the people reading this are doing so on an always connected phone with a fused battery, that they can't trust, because they don't control it. It also has significantly more capabilities that a flock camera, and they likely pay for it too.

That's not ironic, that's _hey, look over there!_

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by nickff »

lynx97 wrote: post #19
nickff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very challenging to distinguish individuals interested in privacy from bots acting maliciously or with reckless indifference. If you devise a way to do this more effectively than Cloudflare, you should start a business to sell this as a service.

Sure, I am practicing understanding for the tyranny around me everyday when I wake up, as a meditation exercise. Answers like yours kill the little remaining faith I have in people. This same argument has been used to defend sloppily implemented CAPTCHAS destroying accessibility since what, 20 years.

My employer is a small business that has an e-commerce website that is attacked by fraudsters trying to validate stolen credit cards or obtain customer information hundreds of times per day. Operations like CloudFlare are the only way to foil these actors. Just trusting you is not a viable strategy.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

nickff wrote: post #27
lynx97 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I am practicing understanding for the tyranny around me everyday when I wake up, as a meditation exercise. Answers like yours kill the little remaining faith I have in people. This same argument has been used to defend sloppily implemented CAPTCHAS destroying accessibility since what, 20 years.

My employer is a small business that has an e-commerce website that is attacked by fraudsters trying to validate stolen credit cards or obtain customer information hundreds of times per day. Operations like CloudFlare are the only way to foil these actors. Just trusting you is not a viable strategy.

The people who downvote could propose how to solve the fraudster problem instead of shooting the messenger.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by salawat »

nickff wrote: post #27
lynx97 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I am practicing understanding for the tyranny around me everyday when I wake up, as a meditation exercise. Answers like yours kill the little remaining faith I have in people. This same argument has been used to defend sloppily implemented CAPTCHAS destroying accessibility since what, 20 years.

My employer is a small business that has an e-commerce website that is attacked by fraudsters trying to validate stolen credit cards or obtain customer information hundreds of times per day. Operations like CloudFlare are the only way to foil these actors. Just trusting you is not a viable strategy.

Your rate limits on adding and removing credit cards? Your input sanitization? Designing your system to not just disclose details around anything but that relevant to a logged in/authenticated user?

There are many practical ways to handle that sort of thing that isn't Cloudflare. It just requires thinking and a bit of dev time.

t. Been there, done that, cartels used an app to try to launder money through loyalty programs. Management was deadset against doing the one single thing that would make it impossible to do that at scale.

Ulterior motives abound everywhere but especially behind people claiming X is the only answer. Fingerprinting is far more intrusive than just only allowing one to add at max 2 cards a day per user.

Re: Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine

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Post by polotics »

neya wrote: post #18
zbrozek wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they slow down and often block access to websites, particularly for people that try to avoid being fingerprinted or otherwise tracked. Pretty evil behavior.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

well in my experience mostly you get either:

- stupidity

- stupidity and malice

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