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The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by consensus1 »

refactor_master wrote: post #41
consensus1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't part of " Europeans are ought to be able to decide how they want to live their lives" that they have the choice of using products of US tech companies?

If my manager's manager's manager decides, for any number of reasons, to buy a product which is using US-based technology, then I don't reasonably have the option to "vote with my feet", but I do have a fallback called Regulation, which works its way all the way up the chain automatically.

Why would you ever expect that you would have a choice of what products you use at work? You are being paid to work there. And yes, if you feel that strongly, you absolutely do have the option to vote with your feet at any time.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by mhitza »

seibelj wrote: post #11
satvikpendem wrote: post #6

Claude slop article aside, this act is one reason why some people say Europe is an open air museum, as it'd rather regulate itself to obscurity while its great works are behind it. Where is Mistral, Le Chaton Fat? They're not competitive anymore. Meanwhile China reaches ever forward because they know that speed and endurance is everything in a race, not shooting oneself in the foot.

You’ll get downvoted to oblivion but it’s true in endless ways even before AI. The EUs obsession with green energy and destroying nuclear in Germany, the wealth taxes, the bureaucracy, how it’s 10x easier to get disability than it is to start a corporation. Death by a thousand cuts. I don’t see this improving until real, visible pain is felt. They are so poor economically but the consequences are not being felt yet

Ha! That's pure nonsense propaganda. Show me where it is 10x easier to take disability than establish a company. Then show me how EU destroyed Germany's nuclear energy, while doing well in other countries.

If you can't you are no better than the russian and right-wing americans that push anti-EU propaganda.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by cbg0 »

frabcus wrote: post #44
cbg0 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-EU comments are always the same shape, unable to separate the EU from individual countries and misattributing country specific policies to the entire EU. Only a few countries in the EU have wealth taxes, and it's not the EU who imposed them. Disability pensions are not easy to get and require a lot of medical paperwork and approvals in most EU countries. And what does "so poor economically" even mean?

Right - the EU is not that powerful. If anything Europe's mistake has been not making it powerful enough, so there is possibility of competing with China and America. Britain has left it and that's made a negative difference to our productivity. Large home markets are critical, when your two major competitors have large home markets. Taxes and social services are cultural things in Europe, based on us understanding w…

That "just not universally available" is kind of the crux of it; all that money in a first world country and many people still fear that calling an ambulance will bankrupt them.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by aenis »

frabcus wrote: post #40
satvikpendem wrote: post #6

Claude slop article aside, this act is one reason why some people say Europe is an open air museum, as it'd rather regulate itself to obscurity while its great works are behind it. Where is Mistral, Le Chaton Fat? They're not competitive anymore. Meanwhile China reaches ever forward because they know that speed and endurance is everything in a race, not shooting oneself in the foot.

The idea was that technology is now powerful enough, everything need not be just competition any more. The world could also work to let every human have a good life. Neither China nor America truly seem to have that goal, despite it being both possible and ethical. Europe at least did, based on our experiences of the horrors of the early/mid C20. It's true that in the last 10 years that vision feels like it has crumb…

China and America's goals will not be influenced one bit by the EU bureaucracy. The only effect it will have it will make EU fall behind even further.

We'd need quite some changes in the EU to focus on actually winning at something again. Winning at the expense of some of the lofty ideals. I'd rather EU have a decent frontier model lab that plays to win, and steps on toes while doing so, than have a very elaborate bureaucracy that tries to prevent that from happening. Its no surprise the bureaucrats have the exactly opposite goals, and its sad that most of the population won't see the consequences of this conflict of interest until it's too late to do anything -- because the Americans and the Chinese have near AGI capabilities, plentiful energy sources, and, really, not a lot of reasons to remember where Europe is on the map.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by mhitza »

thallium205 wrote: post #16

Europe on another money grubbing fishing expedition on US corporations.

GDPR would be enough if money was the aim. Enforcement is pretty thin with that as well, not as if there weren't enough companies out there that can and need to be fined.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by frabcus »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #42
frabcus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea was that technology is now powerful enough, everything need not be just competition any more. The world could also work to let every human have a good life. Neither China nor America truly seem to have that goal, despite it being both possible and ethical. Europe at least did, based on our experiences of the horrors of the early/mid C20. It's true that in the last 10 years that vision feels like it has crumb…

This is a very naive viewpoint that does not understand that superintelligence is a race between the West and China. While the EU is twiddling its thumbs about copyright, it is shooting its own side in the foot during the most important race in human history. The pure absurdity of this is a reflection of how the EU routinely chooses short term safety and good vibes over long term prosperity and success. This mindset…

Yes, that's fair, and particularly so for AI. The best action would be to speak softly and carry a big stick.

But ultimately, to avoid the dangers of AI, a control treaty of which the only similar historical example was nuclear weapons, will be needed between the US and China. And perhaps, Europe would be better at negotiating that if it was all three.

Meanwhile, legislating to label deepfakes, and evaluating models for safety, should hardly be controversial. And in an ideal world, the US and China would agree and be collaborating with Europe on doing that, not whining about it. That includes reform of copyright.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by aenis »

mhitza wrote: post #52
seibelj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ll get downvoted to oblivion but it’s true in endless ways even before AI. The EUs obsession with green energy and destroying nuclear in Germany, the wealth taxes, the bureaucracy, how it’s 10x easier to get disability than it is to start a corporation. Death by a thousand cuts. I don’t see this improving until real, visible pain is felt. They are so poor economically but the consequences are not being felt yet

Ha! That's pure nonsense propaganda. Show me where it is 10x easier to take disability than establish a company. Then show me how EU destroyed Germany's nuclear energy, while doing well in other countries. If you can't you are no better than the russian and right-wing americans that push anti-EU propaganda.

True, the Germans destroyed their own nuclear industry, and with it - its prosperity - entirely on their own. Specifically, Angela Merkel did that, along with lots of other horrible things that deprived the Germans of the future.

Re: The EU has begun enforcing the AI Act: first RFIs to model providers

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Post by cbg0 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #42
frabcus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea was that technology is now powerful enough, everything need not be just competition any more. The world could also work to let every human have a good life. Neither China nor America truly seem to have that goal, despite it being both possible and ethical. Europe at least did, based on our experiences of the horrors of the early/mid C20. It's true that in the last 10 years that vision feels like it has crumb…

This is a very naive viewpoint that does not understand that superintelligence is a race between the West and China. While the EU is twiddling its thumbs about copyright, it is shooting its own side in the foot during the most important race in human history. The pure absurdity of this is a reflection of how the EU routinely chooses short term safety and good vibes over long term prosperity and success. This mindset…

> the most important race in human history

This feels like it needs a lot of asterisks. A race implies someone will win it - how exactly is China winning by making those models freely available? "The West" can use that tech, it's not locked away in some vault.

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