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Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Can you be more specific?

Water is lost in drops a year to the universe. It’s raining somewhere. The EU having a poor memory of historical weather patterns.

Yes, I think climate change is real and we need to fix it. Droughts have been recorded in history for centuries, long before climate change would have ever existed.

Let’s fix the climate, let’s also try and be rational about historical regional weather patterns.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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I don't know if it is gloating so much as it is recognition that unlike most injustice that happens in the world the people most responsible for it are going to suffer at least some of the consequences along with the hoi polloi. A refreshing change of pace, even if the end result is horribly tragic for everyone.

I know this is controversial but I doubt this heat wave is entirely human made. Europe has gone through long arid periods in this past.

If you scroll down past the "Outlooks" header, you will see a chart that makes it abundantly clear what's going on and why.

https://www.dpg-physik.de/veroeffentlichungen/publikationen/...

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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I have an ancient forest near where I live in Switzerland. In the core zone of the forest they do no maintenance whatsoever. The trees live, they get gigantic and very old. They die. At some point the top breaks off and then many years later the rest of the tree is so fungus-eaten it tips over too and rots on the ground. Sunlight never reaches the ground because of the tall giant trees so there's no undergrowth. It's…

The problem is everyone killed the single greatest raiser of ground water levels for its fur. The humble and hardworking beaver.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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But at least we can talk to search engines now

This has nothing to do with AI really. It's a century of pumping out CO2, not 2 years. Maybe in the future... but you can't blame AI for this year.

Yea but I bet if you still had beavers in Europe you'd still have water.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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How do we get Earth back to something resembling the steady state we know can work long term? 1. Electrify almost everything that can reasonably be electrified. Move quickly to EVs, and replace anything that can practically become electric with an electric version. Self driving & fleet utilization will push transportation cost per mile lower than ever before. For the power grid, data centers, and other large 24/7 con…

Silly puny human. It's too late. The planet will grow back and flourish when you are all dead and gone.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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I have an ancient forest near where I live in Switzerland. In the core zone of the forest they do no maintenance whatsoever. The trees live, they get gigantic and very old. They die. At some point the top breaks off and then many years later the rest of the tree is so fungus-eaten it tips over too and rots on the ground. Sunlight never reaches the ground because of the tall giant trees so there's no undergrowth. It's…

Perhaps the cutting and removal of the trees also plays a factor? They suck in water over their life, then once they are cut the forest loses that moisture.

Trees essentially just make steam. They suck in water, transport it up to the leaves where it evaporates. So forests create rain.

Anyway your concern about losing moisture stored in trees isn't really warranted, the tree does not give back moisture.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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That video is quite biased. Just tell your clanker to critique it. It will point out that those numbers are quite cherry picked, and leaving out important details. E.g. the „GHG would reduce by only 2.6%“ study assumes that all crop production stays the same, which doesn’t make any sense.

I don't think it's biased. I think it makes all the sense in the world.

They have exactly one guy as the expert in this video and he contributes all the facts. That’s bias.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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The problem with people constantly pointing to the Ozone layer is that it was only really addressed because it cost virtually nothing to do so. All we had to do was switch from one bad thing to another good thing, which was already becoming cheaper. Climate change as a whole requires a fundamental shift from the basis of almost all chemical manufacturing and transport logistics. And doing so will cause cataclysmic ch…

> And doing so will cause cataclysmic changes to the socioeconomic standings of entire regions of the world. We're going to have those anyway. Might as well make them count for something.

Sure but like the guy said we needed to do that 30 years ago. Even now we're basically ignoring the problem. "Look at all these renewables" while we're still building new coal plants. And even still, most people are debating whether it's even a problem, and whether it's anthropogenic.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Just took a train ride from Vienna to Budapest for a few days, and couldn’t help but notice how very, very dry everything is .. as an Australian living in Europe for a few decades now, I’ve always been intrigued by just how green everything is, literally something growing in every single crack in the pavement, or endless rolling green fields of prosperity during spring - whereas, where I’m from its year-long spinifex…

I took a train from Berlin to Hungary. DB at one end, MAV at the other.

The ensuing week in the Czech Republic was lovely.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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I don't know if it is gloating so much as it is recognition that unlike most injustice that happens in the world the people most responsible for it are going to suffer at least some of the consequences along with the hoi polloi. A refreshing change of pace, even if the end result is horribly tragic for everyone.

I know this is controversial but I doubt this heat wave is entirely human made. Europe has gone through long arid periods in this past.

We have actually had one similar high-CO2 event in the past, which wasn't human made.

It's called the Permian Extinction, and eliminated around 90% of all life on earth.

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