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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#161
I just have no idea how they are remotely going to enforce this.

Like the bad actors can make E2E apps and side load or have their own store. Now with LLMs, this is increasingly trivial.

You cannot stop pedophiles and terrorists from using math.

They might as well try to outlaw the Pythagorean theorem.

This just makes your average law of abiding citizen more vulnerable and the surveillance state more powerful.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#162

I just have no idea how they are remotely going to enforce this. Like the bad actors can make E2E apps and side load or have their own store. Now with LLMs, this is increasingly trivial. You cannot stop pedophiles and terrorists from using math. They might as well try to outlaw the Pythagorean theorem. This just makes your average law of abiding citizen more vulnerable and the surveillance state more powerful.

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#163
Easy solution; design a system with backdoors, implement it in some banking or other system the people at the top use, compromise said backdoor and release all the private info of those arguing for the backdoors.

Things will very quickly turn around.

(That, or narrow exceptions will be carved out for those in power.)

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we keep on voting in politicians (left and right) that do not fight for freedom and privacy. The EC in the end is only an extension of national governments (through the European Council) and the European Parliament (in the sense that they propose and vote for EC members). There are parties that truly care about these values, but populists, corporate influence campaigns, and foreign interference su…

IMO this is bigger than voting. Its a systemic problem, we need systemic change to fix this.

The systemic change is to prevent lobbying from the likes of Israel.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#165

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

It's unfortunate that some of us have been warning and shouting this for years, before it got to this place, and before they amassed all this power, and now that it's almost too late people are catching on.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#166
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Europe has learned the lesson that extremists are bad, but it has not learned the lesson that the tools shouldn't exist.

There will always be extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. The problem is quite simple: people swing more to one side or another if their voices are not heard. The current boogeyman is the growth of the far-right in Europe. But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

The far right are picking wedge issues not from principle, but from political expediency.

In the UK they've switched from attacking immigrants to attacking disability benefits, because the clampdown on immigration was effective (though they obviously are continuing to shout about immigration and immigrants).

So if the "open-door" immigration policy didn't exist, they would have picked something else as the wedge issue. They DGAF about immigration per se, it's just something that will rile up the base and get attention.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#167
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Been using matrix for years now. Even operating a server for a small community. It is slightly more involved for regular users though so that is not the best but otherwise works. Setting up your own federated instance is quite simple, there is an Ansible playbook around to make it even easier. You could even isolate it and have it only for your org. From what I know there is some traction to get it adopted in a bunch…

I loathe how difficult Matrix is for normal people though. It's a nightmare to find a client, get an account, connect to your server, set up push notifications, and then navigate to a chat, much less set up encryption. Fine for us, my mom is never managing. Hopefully if it gets more mainstream some of these things get smoothed out, because it's nice once it's working.

I just don't think Matrix is the solution.

[1] https://benharri.org/matrix-sucks/ [2] https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 [3] https://piegames.de/dumps/a-week-in-matrix/

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#168

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

I'm a little hazy on how this gets enforced. I thought the EU made rules, but then those rules had to be ratified and implemented by the national governments of the member nations (and historically, some of them have been very lax about implementing and enforcing those rules).

Will we end up with a hodgepodge of national rules from each EU country that is effectively unenforceable? Or is there a different mechanism that allows the EU to enforce a blanket rule over all the EU nations?

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#169

Signal, Apple iMessage, and WhatsApp have to announce at some point that they will simply stop providing services to any country/region that insists on breaking E2EE. All you'll be left with is unencrypted RCS. It's a bit of a 'nuclear option', but at the end of the day, once one jurisdiction forces them to break the math, every other one will as well. IMHO, it's the only way to force the proponent(s) of these propos…

They already have said they will do that, and Apple has already blocked services from the UK rather than comply with their anti-encryption insanity.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

#170

Let them learn their lesson. As soon as it comes together it will be taken over by the first AI to crack it and then they will be pwned and have to learn the hard way. No child, spoiled, stupid or otherwise will learn hard lessons without experiencing pain.

Canada is about the learn this lesson the hard way with bill C-22. At the rate things are going, Canadians will wake up to find themselves being blocked by WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal and other popular messaging apps.

The legislation currently have weak surface level protections against encryption backdoors, but law enforcement are seeking to remove those. The legislation also requires mandatory data retention and surveillance, which also means that messaging apps will ban Canada.

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