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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by trinsic2 »

microtonal wrote: post #51
teekert wrote: post #45

Oh man I will never let them read my private comms. So what are they going to do to me? I’m afraid that I, as a good person and father, am going to be punished for not letting them read my private messages. I’m afraid for my future in the EU.

The problem is that we keep on voting in politicians (left and right) that do not fight for freedom and privacy. The EC in the end is only an extension of national governments (through the European Council) and the European Parliament (in the sense that they propose and vote for EC members). There are parties that truly care about these values, but populists, corporate influence campaigns, and foreign interference su…

IMO this is bigger than voting. Its a systemic problem, we need systemic change to fix this.

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Post by shiandow »

trinsic2 wrote: post #146
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was opposition in parliament, though. It was only passed because they snuck it in while MPs had left for summer vacation, and the parliamentary rules are absolutely pants-on-head idiotic and default to passing proposed legislation if a majority of all MPs do not vote it down (rather than merely the ones present). In other words, they passed it by default without achieving any kind of majority, because there wer…

I still dont understand how a thing that passes this way has any legitimacy? Cant the EU just not allow it to be enforced?

That's a bit of a touchy subject that exposes the fact that the EU has repurposed a system for designing industry standards (not laws) and has a shaky legal foundation.

To some extent countries are bound by EU law, but what this means depends on the institutions and legal structure within that country. Although the EU tends to claim they have final say, but how can someone interpreting national law agree with that if the EU goes against the law they are interpreting? Even if the EU is right they can only ask members to acoid contradiction, they lack the force to demand it.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by PorciiVorbesc »

vladms wrote: post #122
BonerWiener wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

To be honest immigration happened forever because people look for a better place to live. The able, hard working and entrepreneurial ones bring a lot to the countries they immigrate to. So, I do not see immigration as "a problem". Additionally Europe's natality is not great, it needs people working. So many enterprises in Europe are happy with that. Why is immigration presented as a problem? Because it is easy, does…

>To be honest immigration happened forever because people look for a better place to live.

I'd also want to go to SV, California, NY, Portland, etc as a better place to live, yet I need to do it legally, which I can't because of how hard getting a US work visa is, so I won't. Migration to the EU should be the same. Only accept people with a legal visa and nobody else. You're not entitled to be allowed to come in any country you want just because you want a better place to live. Those who do think otherwise, please open the doors of your house to everyone who wants to come in for a better place to live and take them in.

> The able, hard working and entrepreneurial ones bring a lot to the countries they immigrate to.

From various statistics from various EU governments you can look up, about half the migrants that they get via the open borders system are either unemployed or a general net negative to society, consuming more from the state via welfare than they contributor back via taxes. And that's when you don't even consider per capita crimes where migrants from some nations are overrepresented in jails per capita.

So how many are "hard working entrepreneurial ones" is the EU actually getting and does that offset the societal and lives lost due to migrant crime and terror attacks?

"Sure, your daughter doesn't feel safe alone at night and your wife got run over by a truck attacker, but just think of the GDP growth due to all the entrepreneurs that came with them"

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by PorciiVorbesc »

BonerWiener wrote: post #117
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will always be extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. The problem is quite simple: people swing more to one side or another if their voices are not heard. The current boogeyman is the growth of the far-right in Europe. But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

>Especially if member States doesn't increase budgets for handling said immigrants

You don't need more budget for migrants, but less budgets for migrants, removing the welfare incentive so they stop coming.

Just be Like Singapore. They don't have a migration problem. It is really that simple. Stop funding NGOs that treat your welfare state like a charity for the entire planet to come and feast one. This is not part of the social contract of the welfare state, nor is it economically sustainable long term.

>Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?

Who is this "WE" here? My and many countries in the EU didn't do anything to destabilize the word stage so don't try to pin this "original sin" on me and us. If some EU nations have some guilt they wish to wash due to their colonial past, it should be their consequences alone, but please don't drag everyone down with your sucidian empathy because this is how you guarantee the rise of the far right and how you destroy Europe.

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

inigyou wrote: post #67
bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

That is the structure of the EU. Wannabe fascists propose all kinds of laws, then a democracy chooses which ones it wants.

Or democraticallly rejects them, but trough unbelievable trickery they still become law. See Chat Control, which never had majority support in parliament.

Democracy with Brussels characteristics.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

woodruffw wrote: post #133
whatsThisBtn4 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States is religious against kings and genuinely thinks they have a holy mission of humans right, freedom, democracy, and liberalism. Obviously this doesn't always happen, but there's only an extremely small minority that think otherwise. Maybe put me in the otherwise camp. Disappointed democracy produced Trump. Maybe we need a technocracy to defend the world from China.

I don’t think the average American voter “genuinely” thinks that they’re on a Blues Brothers-style mission from god to deliver liberalism and freedom to the world. I would be surprised if that’s even a minority view among voters.

Did you go to k12?

It's indoctrination, math, and reading.

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Post by m4rtink »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

I understand this setup was likely necessary to get countries to join initially, but it no longer makes sense & should be abolished, with all power of the commission given to the parliament.

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Post by m4rtink »

PorciiVorbesc wrote: post #154
BonerWiener wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

>Especially if member States doesn't increase budgets for handling said immigrants You don't need more budget for migrants, but less budgets for migrants, removing the welfare incentive so they stop coming. Just be Like Singapore. They don't have a migration problem. It is really that simple. Stop funding NGOs that treat your welfare state like a charity for the entire planet to come and feast one. This is not part o…

Singapore is basically a family run dictatorship city state - hardly any of what they do could or should be replicated elsewhere.
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