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Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortio…

Catholic nuns and religious were some of the first and only to help gay men during the AIDS crisis, so your moral pearl clutching is somewhat hyperbolical. Yes the church has particular moral beliefs you disagree. Join the club.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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I agree with your summary. Greed has won out over everything else.

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

There is no such thing as an evolutionary spirit.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #10

On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortio…

> abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic.

How are abortion and birth control at all related to HIV? I don't understand the connection.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your summary. Greed has won out over everything else.

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

You're quoting Wall Street (1987), but it's not clear whether you're in support of the sentiment or not. Plenty of people around here weren't born when that film came out.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortio…

> abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic. How are abortion and birth control at all related to HIV? I don't understand the connection.

Condoms prevents the spread of HIV.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #10

On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortio…

> abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic. How are abortion and birth control at all related to HIV? I don't understand the connection.

The most common form of male birth control also happens to be the primary recommended means to avoid HIV and other STI's: the condom. Sorry if I was unclear and made it seem like it was improperly related.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #11
post #10

On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortio…

Catholic nuns and religious were some of the first and only to help gay men during the AIDS crisis, so your moral pearl clutching is somewhat hyperbolical. Yes the church has particular moral beliefs you disagree. Join the club.

I'm disinterested in their beliefs, only their actions. Their actions overall speak much more loudly of a callous disregard for life (see: HIV in Africa) and the wellbeing of their most helpless charges (children). I'm not damning Catholics here, I'm talking about the central political and financial entity at the heart of it only.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic. How are abortion and birth control at all related to HIV? I don't understand the connection.

The most common form of male birth control also happens to be the primary recommended means to avoid HIV and other STI's: the condom. Sorry if I was unclear and made it seem like it was improperly related.

My bad, I was thinking hormonal.

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most common form of male birth control also happens to be the primary recommended means to avoid HIV and other STI's: the condom. Sorry if I was unclear and made it seem like it was improperly related.

My bad, I was thinking hormonal.

That's completely understandable and probably down to my hasty phrasing!

Re: Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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> The direction that AI takes is not written into the technology itself. It depends on our choices, on the institutions that host and underpin that choosing, and on our ability to manage innovation responsibly to serve the common good. This is such a key point -- the problem is that the $T that are being poured into AI are doing so for one purpose alone: ROI The choice has already been made, and it's the wrong one.

I'd say that the outcome mostly depends on whether something resembling AGI is achieved since that would more or less inevitably end up leading to something resembling ASI ('super-intelligence') which in turn makes it questionable whether the resulting entity can be counted upon to 'serve the common good' - whatever that may be. The quest for ROI has at most a temporary influence on the direction if this path is foll…

I am afraid that anything created by humans will be, inherently, influenced in its ultimate development by human nature.

Therefore, whatever AGI looks like will be selfish, violent, and short sighted...

But our current crop of chatbots are not it. They're just parrots that happen to be pretty bad for the climate.

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