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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by zelphirkalt »

watwut wrote: post #20
tokai wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

It has nothing to with EU itseld and a lot of to do with far right trying to turn people against EU. EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk. They want to push it over the line and break down. Just a few months ago, there was push to call European countries vasals of USA - exactly when they said "no". Somehow Venezuela is not a vassal state and somehow Saudi completely dependent on USA we…

It's also got to do with the structures, that make the governing body of the EU, if it lets bought politicians again and again push hostile agendas, against the will of the people inside the EU, and inching ever closer to that, which we don't want to become.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by JoshTriplett »

inigyou wrote: post #71
JoshTriplett wrote: post #25

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> "See! The government is trying to pick all our locks" Them having to bring lockpicks (or more commonly a battering ram) would be preferable. This is more like "all locks and locksmiths must only manufacture locks that can be opened with one of a handful of TSA-approved backdoor keys".

It's more like "locks are illegal because the police might need to get in". There's a matter of scale and friction. If the police have to work for six hours to get into something, they can't mass-surveil that way. While we still might not like that, it's much better than mass surveillance. It used to be like that - they'd have to clip an expensive machine onto someone's phone line to record who they called. They'd ha…

> It's more like "locks are illegal because the police might need to get in".

Same idea, yeah. One of the issues with "TSA-approved" locks is that the corresponding keys are widely available. We should not expect a government backdoor key to be secured any better than that.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by miohtama »

teekert wrote: post #45

Oh man I will never let them read my private comms. So what are they going to do to me? I’m afraid that I, as a good person and father, am going to be punished for not letting them read my private messages. I’m afraid for my future in the EU.

They are not going to do anything to you, but they will throw anyone into a jail who develops end to end encryption.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by riedel »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

I don't think it is too much power or even the wish for more. It is IMHO more the disconnect of EU beaurocrats and the Brussels bubble. We need more direct legitimation given the amount of power they have (actually down to the DGs).

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Post by vladms »

Xelbair wrote: post #82
LaurensBER wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many concerns about the rise of populism in Europe but the (few/very few) good things that might come out of this is that there will finally be (enough?) pressure on the EU to reform. Despite all their talk about being pro human-rights and pro democracy in practice the voter turnout percentages for the EU elections are extremely low. As an EU citizen I almost never meet someone who's interested or who feel rep…

EU and EC have been made as a resistant to populism by design, the end result is that we citizens can't change anything, and decisions are arbitrarily made behind closed doors. The amount of layers between your vote, and the elected official that matters is just too big to have any form of accountability, especially when you couple it with national issues. I'm frankly less concerned about populism, but more concerned…

Not that they don't disregard some of my opinions too, but I am quite worried about the opinions of some of the other citizens.

The worst thing might be that it is kind (or close to) a best possible average (can't assess honestly). When I talk with many (mostly opinionated) people, at various ends of various positions (left, right, ecology, industry, security, etc.) I can't imagine any leadership that would make a significant portion of the EU citizens happy.

Now, the historical solution was to make things so worse to calm down all the crazy ideas (mostly implying war or revolution) and make people focus on the basics, let's see how it goes around this time.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by BonerWiener »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #101
ronsor wrote: post #21

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Europe has learned the lesson that extremists are bad, but it has not learned the lesson that the tools shouldn't exist.

There will always be extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. The problem is quite simple: people swing more to one side or another if their voices are not heard. The current boogeyman is the growth of the far-right in Europe. But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled better by each member state.

Yes, immigration is a serious problem. Especially if member States doesn't increase budgets for handling said immigrants.

After all, why does immigration even happen in the first place? Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?

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Post by personomas »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #61
bartleeanderson wrote: post #50

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Very funny if it weren't so true!

I‘m not being ironic. With a dictator you have full responsibility concentrated in a single person. Bureaucracies are the opposite: they’re intentionally setup to diffuse responsibility as much as possible and hold no one accountable. Instead of a single guy, you now have to fight something resembling a fungus. This is much harder: instead of a decapitation strike, you face an enemy that is more resilient and resista…

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by LaurensBER »

sveme wrote: post #109
LaurensBER wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many concerns about the rise of populism in Europe but the (few/very few) good things that might come out of this is that there will finally be (enough?) pressure on the EU to reform. Despite all their talk about being pro human-rights and pro democracy in practice the voter turnout percentages for the EU elections are extremely low. As an EU citizen I almost never meet someone who's interested or who feel rep…

It’s more likely that the rise of the populist right (or left, like Melenchon) will lead to the destruction of the EU. They do not want reform, they want to go back to the fifties.

This is a real risk but from the embers of the (current) systems a better one could still rise.

Despite all the big talk from the likes of Wilders and Meloni, the moment that they're in government they do seem to be very willing to cooperate with their European peers.

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Post by ronsor »

BonerWiener wrote: post #117
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will always be extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. The problem is quite simple: people swing more to one side or another if their voices are not heard. The current boogeyman is the growth of the far-right in Europe. But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too. I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled bett…

I don't think Spain or Sweden are very responsible for most of the Middle Eastern woes. If anything, blame the US.
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