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Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by trinix912 »

IshKebab wrote: post #38
commandersaki wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there be anything that can ever steal the spotlight from Mac; it would be Haiku. I looked at the Haiku slideshow and I'm not seeing this. It looks like an eye sore, desktop environments familiar of the 90s. Even early OSX is a massive improvement (as it was to the NeXT desktop).

I agree, it's arguably clean, and definitely an improvement over Windows 98 era GUI, probably also XP era. But the world has moved on. Even KDE looks better today.

I honestly don't get this, what have we gotten since that's a considerable UI improvement? Bigger paddings? Flat UI?

IIRC you can even configure custom colors, have dark mode, etc. It might look dated with the gray color scheme but that's really the only thing I can guess would look dated to someone.

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by 0x1d7 »

LeFantome wrote: post #15
SyneRyder wrote: post #9

Just a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu. In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then…

I think there should maybe be shadow repositories available for Open Source projects where things like your driver could be contributed. I get why Haiku does not want to deal with it do this is not a criticism. But I have also used AI to port software and create drivers. Others may not have the ability, even with AI. Perhaps I have docs you don’t. And some of it took a reasonable amount of money and time. I am not go…

Looks like a user that was porting to ARM64 disagrees with the Haiku AI stance:

https://github.com/rcarmo/haiku-arm64-build#haiku-arm64-buil...

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by trinix912 »

Demiurge wrote: post #23
thataccount wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess this depends on how you see things. Windows was meant to be a desktop OS and crashed all the time. Probably still does, but the wise have abandoned that burning ship. Linux, however, rarely crashes on a desktop, and when it does, it is usually due to a graphic card driver that doesn't want to work there.

Windows crashing all the time? I haven’t experienced crashes since WinXP… Or when trying beta drivers and overclocking. As a day to day windows and OSX user, I’ve had more stability issues with OSX than Windows.

Nvidia drivers crashed Windows 7 for me multiple times and so did virtualization software (VMware in particular). I had Windows 10 crash a few times when I last touched it doing really nothing special. I'm not using any ancient software or obscure peripherals. But yeah, if it works on your machine then I guess...

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by selectodude »

0x1d7 wrote: post #42
LeFantome wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there should maybe be shadow repositories available for Open Source projects where things like your driver could be contributed. I get why Haiku does not want to deal with it do this is not a criticism. But I have also used AI to port software and create drivers. Others may not have the ability, even with AI. Perhaps I have docs you don’t. And some of it took a reasonable amount of money and time. I am not go…

Looks like a user that was porting to ARM64 disagrees with the Haiku AI stance: https://github.com/rcarmo/haiku-arm64-build#haiku-arm64-buil...

Makes sense. I had codex port haiku to arm64. Works decently, fun to play with on my Mac.

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by jessikat »

SyneRyder wrote: post #9

Just a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu. In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then…

Feel free to reach out, I will be happy to try help with these issues :)

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by cardanome »

KerrAvon wrote: post #20
SyneRyder wrote: post #9

Just a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu. In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then…

Haiku should rethink that AI rule. Put very high code quality gates in place, sure, but Haiku in particular is a very low-velocity project and AI could help them so much. There is no reason you can't produce high-quality code with AI conformant to your style guidelines and structural preferences, it just takes a lot more effort than the slop.

No one is trying to get rich from working on Haiku. They are doing it for fun, as a passion project. Sure AI would help with velocity but velocity is not the only goal. Journey before destination.

Also: Open source is about relationships.

Reviewing code sucks. However at least reviewing code from humans allows you connect and learn from each other. You get to mentor someone. Build a relationship and trust. They learn and grow and maybe someday can also review other people's code.

Nowadays with lots of low effort merge requests and spam it is already easy to burn out. Now add AI. Yeah, no. Why should anyone review AI slop for free. Why? It is the prefect solution to burn your contributors out.

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by jmmv »

I tried Haiku recently on a not-super-old PC and was impressed by the speed and the reasonable availability of software. I then wished I could run this on my old Powerbook G4 because nothing else seems to run there anymore with ease, and this seems like the perfect desktop OS for such old machines. And it turns out there is now a fork for PPC: https://github.com/ActionRetro/Tabby-PPC !

(Why a fork? Because it's primarily vibecoded and Haiku won't take the patches upstream. But hey, I'm gonna give it a try anyway.)

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by SyneRyder »

jessikat wrote: post #45
SyneRyder wrote: post #9

Just a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu. In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then…

Feel free to reach out, I will be happy to try help with these issues :)

Will do, I think I recognize your username from the forums :) Life is getting in the way and makes it difficult to write a bug report with the necessary level of detail & logs. But when I can find time, I intend to.

I think the ACPI issue is long standing, but I can't find my bug report anywhere in Trac. I'm fairly sure I've made at least one report, I created my Trac account roughly 6 years ago. But I also remember running into issues with Trac, so maybe it never went through.

Re: Haiku R1/beta6 has been released

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Post by bacchusracine »

jmmv wrote: post #48

I tried Haiku recently on a not-super-old PC and was impressed by the speed and the reasonable availability of software. I then wished I could run this on my old Powerbook G4 because nothing else seems to run there anymore with ease, and this seems like the perfect desktop OS for such old machines. And it turns out there is now a fork for PPC: https://github.com/ActionRetro/Tabby-PPC ! (Why a fork? Because it's prima…

Please report back and let us know how that goes. Curious to see how well it works.
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