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Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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Add that annoying theo guy to that list. Cant stand these people, they confidently push out videos like they're experts, a week later it turns out whatever they were talking about was total crap and they've already abandoned it - case in point OpenClaw. Look at the mess of videos those named above put out about it, not a single one uses it anymore.

There is only so much a human can master in his lifetime. And if you choose to master the art of video production, then you are probably not spending that much time on mastering the thing you yap about on camera…

> if you choose to master the art of video production, then you are probably not spending that much time on mastering the thing

What?

Its perfectly possible to master two things. Video production isnt _that_ hard. Especially as lighting, shooting adding graphics and editing film is much much easier than 10 years ago.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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I think people shouldn't just jump to distros which are getting heavily hyped in media/Youtube, cachyOS had similar wave, and now Omarchy does. (example: NetworkChuck, Primeagen? and a few others) also, archlinux is much easier to install nowadays with archinstall [1], so i'm not sure you really need another opinionated layer on top of it [1] - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall

Just use Fedora. It just werks (most times).

Fedora is an arse to use. most of the distros for non free software are targeted at stable RHEL, so are miles out of date.

You only get 6 months of updates, at which point everything break subtly, or not if you use nvidia.

ubuntu with a custom GUI is the way forward, at least compared to fedora.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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The right right question would be: why aren't we enforcing a document to be self-contained? Why are documents agents? Why can any document access anything or indeed, do anything? That's not a document, that's a program!

Documents containing scripts are genuinely useful, as are, say, Python programs.

A python program isn't a word document

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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Linux isn't like macOS, it doesn't have any kind of proper desktop sandboxing architecture that really works. So this is kind of security theatre. If you run a malicious program it can do stuff like tamper with your PATH or exploit local vulns in apps to get to the point where it can control anything that matters (which root generally doesn't). For instance it can just drop a custom shell into ~/.bin/.hidden-shell an…

> Linux isn't like macOS, it doesn't have any kind of proper desktop sandboxing architecture that really works. I’m sorry, what? MacOS’s desktop sandboxing is pathetic . Sure, it kind of sort of tries to prevent an application from rummaging until you give it permission. And that permission is hilariously coarse grained, and it gets regularly broken anyway. (Seriously, read about TCC breaks. They’re not little implem…

I mean SElinux plus cgroups is probably good enough. Although as soon as it talks to the desktop environment all bets are off.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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Linux isn't like macOS, it doesn't have any kind of proper desktop sandboxing architecture that really works. So this is kind of security theatre. If you run a malicious program it can do stuff like tamper with your PATH or exploit local vulns in apps to get to the point where it can control anything that matters (which root generally doesn't). For instance it can just drop a custom shell into ~/.bin/.hidden-shell an…

> Linux isn't like macOS, it doesn't have any kind of proper desktop sandboxing architecture that really works. As a QubesOS user, I beg to differ. Just because most Linux distros are negligent with sandboxing does not mean all of them are.

Funny because there is a 101 level Qubes RCE on front page right now.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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Why doesn't Ubuntu fit the bill? You can even install hombrew on it. Everything works like a mac with no fuss. Also the only reason I left Linux was due to hardware. Ubuntu was convenient enough.

Homebrew is like giving a bunch of wikipedia randos remote shell access to your computer. There is no enforced code review policy. Any maintainer can make a commit under a pseudonym and merge their own code to main without review. Homebrew should not be allowed near any machine you need to be able to trust.

> Homebrew is like giving a bunch of wikipedia randos...

And I'm guessing you go to https://www.britannica.com/ when you want to learn something about a new topic, right?

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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A few days ago someone found they were flowing USB descriptors straight into the shell. https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/commit/9285b19d6a72eba3df8... Don't use vibecoded distros. It doesn't matter whether they fix this or that, or whether you care about a particular vuln. This is not sensible. It's why you switched away from Windows in the first place, remember?

But, this “vulnerability” is the thing everybody knows about docker since forever. I always make my user part of the docker group, so my NixOS also has this, and any Ubuntu I’ve used over the past year. What is different here? Start a docker container with the docker socket mounted in the container and now you can have yourself mount / as rw. Everybody knows this. How is everybody so shocked here. Many instructions o…

> I always make my user part of the docker group

I don't, and I migrated to Podman because Docker is poorly designed and full of footguns. For example, it it will silently overwrite iptables rules and punch holes in your firewall.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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It’s not great, but I’m not sure this should be framed as Omarchy-specific, when it’s a very common setup to add regular user to the docker group.

Docker itself is such a massive security problem. Like it’ll punch through your firewall. Found out the hard way after a misconfigured redis was exposed to the web.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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But, this “vulnerability” is the thing everybody knows about docker since forever. I always make my user part of the docker group, so my NixOS also has this, and any Ubuntu I’ve used over the past year. What is different here? Start a docker container with the docker socket mounted in the container and now you can have yourself mount / as rw. Everybody knows this. How is everybody so shocked here. Many instructions o…

> What is different here? I don’t understand how this is a question. What’s different is that it comes configured this way out of the box, silently, without warning. It’s functionally equivalent to opting in to giving all user accounts root privileges, which is not what anyone expects the default configuration to be. You can choose to configure your installs this way if you choose to do so. It should not come this wa…

The whole point of Omarchy is for people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does.

So I think it's a little different. Anybody using an opinionated respin should understand what they're getting.

Re: Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root

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A few days ago someone found they were flowing USB descriptors straight into the shell. https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/commit/9285b19d6a72eba3df8... Don't use vibecoded distros. It doesn't matter whether they fix this or that, or whether you care about a particular vuln. This is not sensible. It's why you switched away from Windows in the first place, remember?

Other than hype, what's the appeal here? I saw a couple video demos recently, and was horrified that it seemed one had to memorize a dozen key binding shortcuts to really use it. Is that rather common now? I'm just a Gnome pleb who prefers discoverability via UI.

We had people salivating over a spinning Compiz 3D cube 20 years ago, and some still don't understand the ricing factor.
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