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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by microtonal »

teekert wrote: post #45

Oh man I will never let them read my private comms. So what are they going to do to me? I’m afraid that I, as a good person and father, am going to be punished for not letting them read my private messages. I’m afraid for my future in the EU.

The problem is that we keep on voting in politicians (left and right) that do not fight for freedom and privacy. The EC in the end is only an extension of national governments (through the European Council) and the European Parliament (in the sense that they propose and vote for EC members).

There are parties that truly care about these values, but populists, corporate influence campaigns, and foreign interference successfully casts them as: responsible for immigration, disastrous for the economy, or whatever else you can find.

It's funny, because in my country some right-wing parties hold pro-privacy/freedom parties responsible for everything that is wrong, whereas said right-wing parties have been been almost continuously in power since the early 80s and some of the pro-privacy/freedom parties have never been in power. Yet, the people eat it up.

There is some truth to "every country has the government it deserves".

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by delichon »

christkv wrote: post #30
bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

This its more like an oligarch edict with democratic dressing. Its set up so the European elite can force political chance without having to deal with annoying things like democracy other than in name

I agree, but to be fair, the US constitution is set of limitations on democracy from beginning to end, and I do support that document.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by [deleted] »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by qwytw »

AnssiH wrote: post #48
bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

> So the EU will eventually require backdoors in encryption. It's only a question of how many tries it takes... So how many tries (i.e. EU parliamentary votes on an actual legislative text brought in by commission) has there been for encryption backdoors or mandatory screening of chat content? There has actually been only one, the November 2023 vote on CSAR regulation, and it was rejected overwhelmingly ( https://edr…

Until they come up with a procedure to workaround the fact that there is no majority in the EU parliament and push it through anyway (like they did a couple of weeks ago with ChatControl 1.0).

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by christkv »

delichon wrote: post #52
christkv wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This its more like an oligarch edict with democratic dressing. Its set up so the European elite can force political chance without having to deal with annoying things like democracy other than in name

I agree, but to be fair, the US constitution is set of limitations on democracy from beginning to end, and I do support that document.

The U.S. constitution would be a much better constitution for the EU than what we have now.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by qwytw »

watwut wrote: post #20
tokai wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

It has nothing to with EU itseld and a lot of to do with far right trying to turn people against EU. EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk. They want to push it over the line and break down. Just a few months ago, there was push to call European countries vasals of USA - exactly when they said "no". Somehow Venezuela is not a vassal state and somehow Saudi completely dependent on USA we…

> EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk

Funny given it's not and was never supposed to be a "democracy" or a federation for that matter.

> That disappeard, now EU is fascist

Not necessarily? Mass surveillance is something integral to totalitarian states of any leaning.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by betteryet »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

The dictators part is false, the EU is not a structure you can easily dictate. But this encryption backdoor thing is somebody's pet project and extremely alarming. The UK has a similar bend they've already put in place with IPA and TCNs. The US is way gone on decrypted stored data and metadata, but not on encryption backdoors yet, though legislators have tried.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by TFNA »

teekert wrote: post #45

Oh man I will never let them read my private comms. So what are they going to do to me? I’m afraid that I, as a good person and father, am going to be punished for not letting them read my private messages. I’m afraid for my future in the EU.

No one really cares about your individual comms. The goal of legislation like this is to ensure that E2E chat apps are no longer distributed on the app stores, so even if a tiny amount of nerds like us might use them among ourselves, they are no longer relevant socially.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by AnssiH »

qwytw wrote: post #54
AnssiH wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the EU will eventually require backdoors in encryption. It's only a question of how many tries it takes... So how many tries (i.e. EU parliamentary votes on an actual legislative text brought in by commission) has there been for encryption backdoors or mandatory screening of chat content? There has actually been only one, the November 2023 vote on CSAR regulation, and it was rejected overwhelmingly ( https://edr…

Until they come up with a procedure to workaround the fact that there is no majority in the EU parliament and push it through anyway (like they did a couple of weeks ago with ChatControl 1.0).

"ChatControl 1.0" is entirely voluntary so there is much less opposition in parliament.
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