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Re: No AI Fridays

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post #43

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False based on your sample size of one, (which is fine to share), or you’ve also read this somewhere? If it’s just your own datapoint, is it difficult to self assess?

No, false based on subjective experience on a sample size of one.

Then you missed the word "can".

Re: No AI Fridays

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Reminds of the time when we had to plant our own apple trees instead of buying them from the market, and to get up early at 1 AM to milk the oranges instead of just buying juice

Barefoot. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways.

When I was your age I had to cross the event horizon of a black hole and then back out on my way to school every day.

Re: No AI Fridays

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post #71

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I've been doing this on my latest personal project. What I've realised I missed the most is feeling in the zone or in a "flow" state as some call it. It really feels amazing. Coding agents take that away from you. I really think we need some coding agent implementation which takes less agency away from programmers and helps people be in the flow even more. For my project I use Gemini/Google's AI mode to great effect.…

What do you use to be in the zone? music in the background? What type? Or silence or something else?

the flow state isn't something that is triggered by music. It can help maybe, but it's not a pre-requisite.

It's something common to a lot of creative fields, that moment where u enter a sort of hyper-focused state where the line between you and the code blurs and you operate at peak efficiency.

It quite literally feels like overclocking your brain. I miss it a lot.

Re: No AI Fridays

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When I was 9 or 10 I flew somewhere with my family for the first time. On landing, the pilot bounced the plane off the runway. While taxiing he came on the intercom and apologized for the "slightly rough" landing, explaining that they usually use some autopilot to land/smooth the landing and that to keep qualified they have to do it manually every so often. So anyways, I fully embrace and support the idea of bouncing…

Unrelated to the bouncing part I once chatted with an airline pilot and he mentionned the expectations on what is a good landing are different depending if you are a pilot or a passenger. A passenger is looking for comfort and wants a very soft one. A pilot prefers a slightly rougher one where you actually feel the wheels hitting and gripping to the ground because he is looking for feedback and control.

The key is to find a good compromize between both expectations and it also depends on the conditions.

Re: No AI Fridays

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This is a paradigm shift. If you know basic arithmetic, a calculator doesn't stop you from knowing how to add or multiply. But AI definitely stops you from learning how to reason. So it's not the same at all.

How does AI stop you from learning how to reason?

talk to any recent computer science graduate. You'll quickly realize how.

Re: No AI Fridays

#166
post #10

I would actually really recommend people who are using coding agents full time to make AI brakes for your weekend projects. Think of it like a small break to take the time to reconnect to the code and keep your brain muscles intact, a bit like a professional cyclist going for a casual ride in the forest to experience what they don’t experience anymore in their professional life.

Nah, if you not feeling fun coding a project, just use your free time on other stuff that you interested in.

Re: No AI Fridays

#167
post #151

At the very least, I do encourage people who are working on personal projects for explicitly learning and studying purposes to purposefully not use AI. Of course, if the purpose of the project is to learn AI, then that rule is allowed to be broken. Anecdotal example but I know plenty of students (Including my own brother) who graduated recently who did it almost entirely with AI (unfortunately at the request of their…

If you’re not learning with AI in play, you sure as sunshine wont be learning anything without AI It’s when we put arbitrarily impossible deadlines that AI users learn nothing

I don't think this is true at all. If you don't have AI then either you build what you need to build and learn how to do it along the way, or you build nothing and learn nothing. There is no option to build something but learn nothing, but that's the default outcome with AI. To learn how to build something AI built for you, you need to build it again on your own, which I dare say very few AI users are doing for nontrivial projects.

Re: No AI Fridays

#168

This will be the pattern only the "privileged" workers will be able to afford. Not using AI is similar to giving employees 20% of their time for any non-sprint work. This privilege of No AI usage a day will lower the productivity, and rarely any companies will allow it (if they track your usage, which I am sure they do)

Privileged workers are the ones who's employers are paying for AI while still keeping them employed in the first place. The end goal of every AI initiative is to lower headcount, if your employer is forcing AI usage you are digging your own grave.

> Privileged workers are the ones who's employers are paying for AI while still keeping them employed in the first place.

I used "time" as privilege, not as AI as it's given as premise in the article. You didn't even attempt to decode my comment with the article content in the first place.

> The end goal of every AI initiative is to lower headcount, if your employer is forcing AI usage you are digging your own grave

The "trend" nowadays shows other ways.

And also Jevons paradoxe in the works. The more you use AI, the more work will spawn.

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Re: No AI Fridays

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Privileged workers are the ones who's employers are paying for AI while still keeping them employed in the first place. The end goal of every AI initiative is to lower headcount, if your employer is forcing AI usage you are digging your own grave.

> Privileged workers are the ones who's employers are paying for AI while still keeping them employed in the first place. I used "time" as privilege, not as AI as it's given as premise in the article. You didn't even attempt to decode my comment with the article content in the first place. > The end goal of every AI initiative is to lower headcount, if your employer is forcing AI usage you are digging your own grave…

I understood your original comment just fine, I just thought that the point you were making was stupid.

By "trend nowadays" I assume you're just choosing not to count the 700k layoffs in tech sector since 2022?

Show me all of the new products Google, Meta, Amazon, Microsoft etc have "spawned" since force feeding AI to their remaining staff. 100 different permutations for sycophantic AI models and fact simulators don't count.

Re: No AI Fridays

#170
post #71

At the very least, I do encourage people who are working on personal projects for explicitly learning and studying purposes to purposefully not use AI. Of course, if the purpose of the project is to learn AI, then that rule is allowed to be broken. Anecdotal example but I know plenty of students (Including my own brother) who graduated recently who did it almost entirely with AI (unfortunately at the request of their…

I've been doing this on my latest personal project. What I've realised I missed the most is feeling in the zone or in a "flow" state as some call it. It really feels amazing. Coding agents take that away from you. I really think we need some coding agent implementation which takes less agency away from programmers and helps people be in the flow even more. For my project I use Gemini/Google's AI mode to great effect.…

I experience the exact opposite myself.

Before AI, the only way I could get in the flow was by isolating myself from everything to avoid direct distractions (phone, emails, IM...) or indirect (having something else on my mind). It was something I was able to achieve only a few times a year. It did felt incredible. As soon I was getting stuck on something tedious, I had to resort to a web search and it broke the flow.

With AI, I can achieve this state every weekend for personal projects, and every day I'm WFH or when I'm alone in my corner of the office. I start with a list of goals/tasks, put X agents at work (I prefer working on multiple projects in parallel, with only one task per project) and while they're doing their stuff, I'm thinking about the next steps, filling the backlog, catching issues needing rework... I don't get stuck: either the agent we'll offer a workaround, or I'll push it in the backlog. Most often, the solution comes to me while I'm not in front of my computer. I can focus on the big picture, the actual problems that I'm trying to solve. Yesterday I did exactly this: started at 8am, leaving my desk just to fill my water bottle or empty my bladder... and it's only because a friend came to my place at 8pm that I stopped. I thought I was at it for only two hours...

I hate how this comment can make me look as an AI preacher; but I'm not trying to convince anyone to stop doing anything they're doing because I found the ultimate solution. No. I'm just describing how I'm enjoying _doing stuff_ on the computer more than I ever did in the ~30 years I've been doing it.

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