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Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is responsible for a lot more than that once you factor in emissions in other countries producing goods bought by people and businesses in EU countries.

Those are already included in most statistics

Not in the Edgar linked above

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #76

AMOC collapse [0] is Europe's potential big climate challenge. Nasty business. I wonder how to help prevent that from happening. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

Unironically the anti nuclear luddites killed the main chance to be divert climate change that we had over unfounded fearmongering

I don't buy it.

Climate change is related to our consumptions, period, focusing only on energy or transport doesn't tackle the whole problem: we consume too much, eat too much (cattle and fish in particular) and destroy too much in our quest for more and more.

Inefficient transport or energy is just one aspect of the whole problem.

But I'm tired of hearing how it is just a matter of energy or transport, it's literally missing the forest for a tree, even if it might be a particularly big one.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #79

But at least we can talk to search engines now

And eat beef every day.

Who cares if a small burger pollutes more than commuting with a SUV.

I mean, it's just hard to care or do something, these things should be properly taxed, but there's no chance this would be popular.

But it feels we're powerless beyond minor examples we can set something everyday.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And since we've all known about this for 30+ years, is it still their fault, or is it ours?

What should I have done about it for the past 30 years?

Voted for the environmental candidate every time.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #78

I must depend on the country because the trend is that some countries, the UK for instance, are receiving more rain as climate warms, but it is becoming more seasonal. This year winter was extremely wet then indeed summer has been a record dry, so not sure how the year will look like overall (plus it's a strong El Niño year).

I just came back to CA from the UK, and the two places looked surprisingly alike: yellow fields everywhere

Ok, summer has been a record dry, as said... not the first time it looks like that but perhaps the longest and driest.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #109

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Meh, almost nobody will want to live in most of Europe post AMOC collapse in 20-40 yrs

What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

See “stability” section

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #76

AMOC collapse [0] is Europe's potential big climate challenge. Nasty business. I wonder how to help prevent that from happening. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

Unironically the anti nuclear luddites killed the main chance to be divert climate change that we had over unfounded fearmongering

I think it is extremely simplistic to blame the nuclear transition's failed potential solely on them.

1. The fact that nuclear power has been quite safe so far does not mean that it would have been just as safe if its deployment would have rapidly spread.

2. Nuclear energy is unfortunately tightly coupled with nuclear weapons, as well as the treaties and geopolitics that were designed to keep them only in the hands of the few. Quite many late 1900s crises in Europe could have looked different if nuclear material was even more widespread than it was. I don't even wanna think about nations outside Europe that have been extremely unstable in the past and in recent history.

3. Seeing how intensely fossil fuel companies spread misinformation and disinformation about green technology and climate science, it's hardly a far-fetched idea that that same industry had a hand in helping policymakers steer away from an energy source that would unseat it from the throne.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And since we've all known about this for 30+ years, is it still their fault, or is it ours?

What should I have done about it for the past 30 years?

Nothing. My point was simply that blaming people who did something 40-50 years ago is pretty silly.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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How do we get Earth back to something resembling the steady state we know can work long term? 1. Electrify almost everything that can reasonably be electrified. Move quickly to EVs, and replace anything that can practically become electric with an electric version. Self driving & fleet utilization will push transportation cost per mile lower than ever before. For the power grid, data centers, and other large 24/7 con…

0. stop eating meat?
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