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California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Hard to argue that it's open source...

Graphene should qualify. That would be a good incentive for kids to learn to root a mobile device and run graphene on it.

You actually don't root a GrapheneOS device (sadly, imo, but this is one of GrapheneOS's peculiarities. If you want root, Lineage is your friend.)

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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It’s 150 comments of back and forth on a change which doesn’t have a concrete reason, the maintainers aren’t in agreement on what the right approach is wrt the field’s behaviour, and the person who submitted it is bouncing between saying he’s keeping it on topic and then adding scope where he believes it should be added. I also personally disagree with the change, I think the OP has gone ahead and implemented what th…

That's the facebookisation or redditisation of open source. Open source used to mean when you got the software you got the source code, but now it means a platform for arguing. And there's no doubt in my mind when people say they can't switch their project from GitHub to Forgejo because they'd lose "contributions", they mean this.

I don't understand your point. The phrase "when you got the software it got the source code" makes no sense. And arguments were just as common decades ago on forums, mailing lists, and IRC. What exactly are you trying to say?

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Hope you all are excited for the most important parts of the internet to be completely unusable by default on Linux in a few years.

This. This literally makes it illegal for social media sites to serve Linux clients. The previous bill (the one that propagandists call "age verification") was actually really good, and this one is really bad.

how would the social media know the client is on Linux? and don't say User Agent

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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I wonder what is the reasoning for this.

It was written for them by very smart people to quiet resistance to these laws, and to make sure there's no possibility that there's a price to be paid by anyone at the ballot box. Most of them probably neither understand or even read it, they are voting for it because they were told to by the same people who told them to vote for age verification.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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This is a silly idea since California's law was actually well-thought-out. This will actually force social media to ban Linux clients, since the social media can't be compliant in that case. The operating system won't provide an age signal and the social media isn't allowed to ask for one on its own. I also want a permanent ban for anyone who calls the California law "age verification". It does not verify age. Period…

I think you're misreading it. It doesn't ban Linux from providing age collection and verification. It makes it a choice, rather than mandatory.

I would expect that Linux users want access to age-verified apps just as much as other users, so such a signal will be available.

Also, you're being overly pedantic on the language used. It transfers liability away from the service, more easily allowing operation in about half of the states. "age verification" is a fine lay description.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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i still think this should be solved at the protocol level. if you want to access the adult stuff, you have to staple a non-identifying zk-proof-of-age to your http/spdy/etc requests, otherwise it all just operates as usual.

Or even better, just a “User is a child” header.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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What's to prevent Apple from making iOS and macOS free to "copy, redistribute, and modify"? The OS is free already, and the platform does cryptographic signature verification before allowing its installation. macOS already automatically finds local caching servers, which amounts to redistribution capability baked in.

They can just claim that the user is free to turn off SIP and "modify" the binary bits, or that kernel extensions amount to modification.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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And then the exception will evaporate overnight.

Precisely. Courts will find that the situation where Linux users are exempt from the law, whereas Windows users have to submit their ID and any other personal data, can not be maintained, so Linux users will also be forced to give up their ID before being able to access the internet. This will also first come via commercial distributions (perhaps it can not be enforced by independent linux users, but the law need not…

This is pure speculation. You can't possibly predict what courts are going to decide in the future. And the Digital Age Assurance Act doesn't "force a user to give up ID to access the Internet", it requires age information to be collected during creation of a user account on a system.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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when a coworker asked how i remembered the argument for increasing java heap size, i just said "oh from a previous job" :X

I guess it depends on the culture but I would think it's a good thing to show interest and passion for this stuff by talking about things you do in your free time like setting up Minecraft servers, whoever you're talking to will probably have similar things like that

Agreed. I have had my tenure as a World of Warcraft guild & raid leader from many years ago on my resume for many, many years. It has always been a conversation point but managing 100+ people, who you don't pay, to prepare & train for complex, time sensitive operations including 25-50 people all working together, and all the management that comes with that, from DKP to class leaders, and so on. "Just think what I can do with paid people!"

I've never hidden my interest & passions, and I think the world is a better place when people are proud of what they enjoy. We're people first, after all.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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This. This literally makes it illegal for social media sites to serve Linux clients. The previous bill (the one that propagandists call "age verification") was actually really good, and this one is really bad.

how would the social media know the client is on Linux? and don't say User Agent

Because it won't get an age bracket header.
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