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Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by lijok »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #19

At the very least, I do encourage people who are working on personal projects for explicitly learning and studying purposes to purposefully not use AI. Of course, if the purpose of the project is to learn AI, then that rule is allowed to be broken. Anecdotal example but I know plenty of students (Including my own brother) who graduated recently who did it almost entirely with AI (unfortunately at the request of their…

If you’re not learning with AI in play, you sure as sunshine wont be learning anything without AI

It’s when we put arbitrarily impossible deadlines that AI users learn nothing

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by kstenerud »

midtake wrote: post #132
kstenerud wrote: post #92

Reminds me of when we were admonished to use a "real" compiled language rather than an interpreted, GC'd one, lest we lose our ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to continue using assembly, lest our "real" skills atrophy from too much cushy C development. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to keep our scope and probe skills sharp, and read and u…

This is a paradigm shift. If you know basic arithmetic, a calculator doesn't stop you from knowing how to add or multiply. But AI definitely stops you from learning how to reason. So it's not the same at all.

How does AI stop you from learning how to reason?

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by nunez »

echelon wrote: post #45
wkjagt wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got out of tech about 5 years ago, before AI really took off. I still do a lot of personal projects and now never use AI. I tried it a bit (only free plans) but noticed how much it caused me to no longer be able to think through a solution myself. I thought I was learning a lot from it but for some reason whatever I learned from it didn't stick. So now I'm no longer using it at all. I do realize that this is very s…

I really do not get all of y'all claiming this causes you to "not be able to think". I worked on six nines active active payments infra that handled billions in daily transaction volume. I've built laser projection systems to play interactive games on skyscrapers. That ability is not atrophying. I'm able to do 10-20x what I was able to do before AI, and I'm able to work at a breadth, depth, and level of polish that w…

Let me assist.

Yes, *you* are able to leverage your previous expertise *that you spent years accumulating with your own mind* to productivitymaxx to the extreme and work on all the things. AI is awesome for people who know what they're doing. This is well-documented.

What is _also_ true is that people think less to a lot less when they defer work to AI. For those who are getting into this industry or learning new things (i.e. the people that you will eventually NOT hire for your growing business that you MIGHT have hired in the past), that is an absolutely terrible thing to have happen. This is _also_ well documented. Your success does not refute that.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by Mabusto »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #53
wkjagt wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got out of tech about 5 years ago, before AI really took off. I still do a lot of personal projects and now never use AI. I tried it a bit (only free plans) but noticed how much it caused me to no longer be able to think through a solution myself. I thought I was learning a lot from it but for some reason whatever I learned from it didn't stick. So now I'm no longer using it at all. I do realize that this is very s…

There was a well known phenomenon people called ‘tutorial hell’ where when learning to program you could understand all the code from tutorials, but when it came time to actually create your own solutions for stuff you got stuck. I think AI is basically enabling eternal tutorial hell, you never actually need to break out of it anymore.

This has happened to me with Rust. I read the book, did the interactive tutorials and then started on a small project and couldn’t really code anything!

This is familiar territory for me as I prefer to do a breadth first survey of something I’m trying to learn before digging in to an actual project with depth to make all the mistakes and blunders that make you actually good at something.

AI can still be a huge help here. I don’t really use AI to write the actual code. I will be tooting along, in the flow state, and then bang off a question or request like “how would you write this block of code” “how does this API work?”, and then just take what it says under advisement.

I find as soon as I start accepting what the AI says without critical thinking or just hitting the “apply block” button, it’s time to take a break. I use CoPilot and I barely touch 40% token spend per month and to me it’s the best way to work, I am always engaged, have a full mental model of what I’m working on, and have someone pushing back and criticizing what I’m writing. This gets you out of tutorial hell, but keeps you motivated because you’re not always staring at a blank code window wondering where to start.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by PKop »

echelon wrote: post #117
eudamoniac wrote: post #73

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What is this 5M business?

https://getartcraft.com https://youtu.be/kzvQMdg66Go (Now with full animation control, not just blocking and posing.) This isn't UGC. I know a lot of studios from my filmmaking and 30% of my customers are spending thousands of dollars a month. It's got really good word of mouth and 89% M3 retention. There are two films coming out in theaters this year that use ArtCraft. It's also completely open source (the desktop a…

The comment on the YouTube video is accurate:

"Soul-less slop for people who don't understand art nor craft".

Cutting corners no doubt has appeal to some people in the industry making things, but this says nothing about the appeal to audiences that are supposedly going to want to pay to watch entire movies containing this nonsense. The end result shown in this video and on your website https://getartcraft.com/ just doesn't look good, at all.

> There are two films coming out in theaters this year that use ArtCraft.

Which ones? Like the internet itself, if movies start filling up with more and more slop, it's just going to be another instance of enshitification.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by nunez »

scrollaway wrote: post #24
sdcfgy wrote: post #9

Got no AI 7 days here. I sold my token budget to other staff and spent the money on beer.

I guess alcoholism is cooler than using AI to do things nowadays, is that your stance?

N/A beer exists, and it's quite good now!

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by nunez »

iamleppert wrote: post #54

This is as silly as saying you shouldn’t drive your car on Friday’s and walk to work instead. Why only Friday? What does “doing things the old way” one day a week prove or benefit when you spend 90% of your time working with AI? Tech people who have their entire identities wrapped up in being smart or the best engineer in the room have suddenly learned that intelligence is now a commodity and a cheap one at that.

Oh man; public transit and the suburbs as a concept would be SO MUCH BETTER if a federal law like this existed

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by echelon »

puelocesar wrote: post #140
echelon wrote: post #121

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I responded here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49500019

So basically you created a Slop Maker.. I mean, you do you I guess..

Prior to AI, I've made over a dozen films. Six AM call times and eighteen hour days, location release forms, insurance, lifting big props off of two story shelving at the prop house in sweltering heat, last minute fixes to catering for hundreds of people, running AD and logistics.

During the pandemic I bought fifty grand of mocap gear to keep shooting virtually.

Are you a filmmaker? Because this tech helps me tell stories more directly than photons captured on extremely expensive glass, set dressing full of cheats and tricks, and spreadsheets of logistics.

I have several films coming out in theaters that use ArtCraft.

I'm working on anime reboots of several popular series from the 80's and 90's. Full licensing and original authors on board.

I'm talking to several major bands, huge directors, and tons of people in the space. I've talked to the leadership at many of the big studios and I'm working on deals.

I promise I care more about film than you do. I spend so much energy on it that it consumes me.

Hollywood already makes slop. Some of the projects that get greenlit are downright terrible. You don't need AI to make slop.

There are hundreds of AI filmmakers doing absolutely phenomenal work, and the pool is rapidly growing. You don't criticize early CG film for relying on imprecise Blinn-Phong shading, yet people who aren't even trying to carve sculptures out of the new kind of clay are eager to jump on AI rendering artifacts while discounting AI works as a whole.

An AI short film can take months and months of labor. An AI aided scene can take weeks. It's work. It's not "prompt and done".

What sucks is that I know a room full of people that went to expensive film school and wound up in support roles where they never got to helm their dream projects. Hollywood funding was never amenable to following your vision as your heart desired. We've been fortunate in software to not live with that curse. How many young Scorseses withered on the vine because they couldn't access the capital they needed to tell the stories their heart desired? AI is going to fix that.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by ceejayoz »

majormajor wrote: post #150
ceejayoz wrote: post #144

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My zone is like that of an orchestra conductor. I point at the violins. I gesture the drums upwards. Sometimes I make a big broad gesture that encompasses the entire orchestra. My agents are tasked, in part, with explaining the context with mockups and examples I can poke at for each job.

You mentioned "coming back later" but being in the zone. That's the part I want to understand. So this metaphor isn't helping cause the conductor is constantly working, constantly seeing the output. Not coming back later.

My zone is the big-picture zone. What are we building, what needs to be done, how do the interrelated bits all come together? I can tell an agent "go implement X" and start planning Y that comes after it.

I don't really get in the zone for raw code typing, that's always been a slog.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by lstodd »

KerrAvon wrote: post #122
lstodd wrote: post #106

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hah. try go hiking for couple days in mountains. no cellular, no charging, flaky gps, vhf/uhf radio don't work and your only hope is that you are prepared enough to survive getting out of there . I don't even about sailing 100+nm off shore. people assume every point of earth is somewhy equivalent to their porch.

Not entirely sure what point you're trying to make, so maybe this is not relevant to it, but, in 2026, satellite emergency support makes it seem irresponsible to not take your iPhone if you value your life or have other people in your life who would miss you if you were gone.

well, iphone dies of battery discharge.

in 2023 I had a pretty nice night ~4km from a town in Montenegro. I could even see it from the mountain I was at and still had to sleep under a bush because I was not prepared enough. Thanks to thousands years of history they have ancient outlets for mountain springs so you can have drinkable water in most unexpected places while walking down from a misadventure.

Imagine that happening ~20km off civilization. Unprepared one will just die, iphone+satellites or no.

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