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The ancient Sumerians invented cuneiform writing about 5000-5500Y ago. This is as long before ancient Sumer as ancient Sumer is before us today. Mind-boggling.
nitpicking: Sumerians were the oldest civilization to have been found using cuneiform or scripted writing. The actual civilization to have truly invented writing is not known.
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I did research and just gave you a quote that says maybe. I have zero reason to assume your position there is definitely proof for the claim 40000 years memory to be correct. "Do your own research for my claim" doesn't work around here.
If you weren’t so arrogant you could have gone on a journey of your own discovery. That is important on matters of great cultural significance such as this - do your own investigation and gain your own understanding, honestly - don’t just accept what you’ve been conditioned to think about it. The requirement to be honest goes both ways. Because the original caretakers stories have been so degraded by imperialist idea…
Thanks, but I did travel the world (and libaries) quite a bit and also was in the outback at places where few other souls go.
Still, I do see a difference with having a sound hypothesis - and having solid proof. And I do not see actual researchers making claims as you do. They present their theory and data.
Arrogance is rather associated with being very sure of oneself without having the data to back it up.
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If you weren’t so arrogant you could have gone on a journey of your own discovery. That is important on matters of great cultural significance such as this - do your own investigation and gain your own understanding, honestly - don’t just accept what you’ve been conditioned to think about it. The requirement to be honest goes both ways. Because the original caretakers stories have been so degraded by imperialist idea…
"If you weren’t so arrogant you could have gone on a journey of your own discovery." Thanks, but I did travel the world (and libaries) quite a bit and also was in the outback at places where few other souls go. Still, I do see a difference with having a sound hypothesis - and having solid proof. And I do not see actual researchers making claims as you do. They present their theory and data. Arrogance is rather associ…
That you are unsatisfied is of no relevance to the fact that the studies are solid. The evidence is in the stories and the geological record. I hope there is much, much more research done on this subject in the near future, for some to criticize and others to truly value an incredibly important culture, on the brink of extinction, precisely because of the types of Euro-centric, imperialist views you proffer being applied to their existence.
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> These are real cultural artifacts, which encode real events. The total amount of evidence for the second half of your claim is zero, and you should realize that. It's something people want to believe, but it's not something there is any reason to believe.
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"If you weren’t so arrogant you could have gone on a journey of your own discovery." Thanks, but I did travel the world (and libaries) quite a bit and also was in the outback at places where few other souls go. Still, I do see a difference with having a sound hypothesis - and having solid proof. And I do not see actual researchers making claims as you do. They present their theory and data. Arrogance is rather associ…
I too have been all over the outback, and I find your skepticism unwarranted. If you’d had any time with the culture, you’d understand how important it is for us to value their stories, rather than push imperialism at them. That you are unsatisfied is of no relevance to the fact that the studies are solid. The evidence is in the stories and the geological record. I hope there is much, much more research done on this…
Dude, all I am saying is that I have not read any claims by any researchers that there is absolute proof of any sort. You have such a claim, then just show it.
And imperialism has nothing to do with whether the oral history of the aborigines goes back 40 000 or 10 000 or just 1000 years. British imperialism succeded, because they had superior weapons.
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Thanks. I don't have time to watch the video, but the article still leaves me skeptical. Matching myths to past events seems to me fraught with all the same potential pitfalls as matching them to future events and thence labeling them as prophecies, especially when the event in question is as common as a volcano erupting. But I will admit it's not entirely implausible either.
You’re making a very glib conclusion. Please, if you have an interest, make an effort to learn more about this subject. It’s not just matching myths .. its recording a history of geologically recorded events, along song lines actually walked where those geological events occurred. “Prophecies” is a very euro-centric way to dismiss the subject. Indeed, there is encoding for you to be discovered, which has been rigorou…
Why is the dismissive non-curious comment not getting down voted?
Am I in denial about whether the curios community still exists here?
To recognize the topic on hand... When a native community shares an oral tradition that accurately describes something that's been under water for 12+ thousand years despite not having the technology to map the sea floor that's pretty strong evidence in the accuracy of their ability to persist accuracy through oral tradition.
Parent is entirely valid in encouraging curiosity in this subject to anyone who is dismissive of it.
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I too have been all over the outback, and I find your skepticism unwarranted. If you’d had any time with the culture, you’d understand how important it is for us to value their stories, rather than push imperialism at them. That you are unsatisfied is of no relevance to the fact that the studies are solid. The evidence is in the stories and the geological record. I hope there is much, much more research done on this…
"rather than push imperialism at them." Dude, all I am saying is that I have not read any claims by any researchers that there is absolute proof of any sort. You have such a claim, then just show it. And imperialism has nothing to do with whether the oral history of the aborigines goes back 40 000 or 10 000 or just 1000 years. British imperialism succeded, because they had superior weapons.
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"rather than push imperialism at them." Dude, all I am saying is that I have not read any claims by any researchers that there is absolute proof of any sort. You have such a claim, then just show it. And imperialism has nothing to do with whether the oral history of the aborigines goes back 40 000 or 10 000 or just 1000 years. British imperialism succeded, because they had superior weapons.
The geological record isn't proof enough for you?
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You’re making a very glib conclusion. Please, if you have an interest, make an effort to learn more about this subject. It’s not just matching myths .. its recording a history of geologically recorded events, along song lines actually walked where those geological events occurred. “Prophecies” is a very euro-centric way to dismiss the subject. Indeed, there is encoding for you to be discovered, which has been rigorou…
The whole point of hacker news is to converse curiously. It's stated clearly in the guidelines. Here is a person encouraging curiosity and getting down voted. Why is the dismissive non-curious comment not getting down voted? Am I in denial about whether the curios community still exists here? To recognize the topic on hand... When a native community shares an oral tradition that accurately describes something that's…
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The whole point of hacker news is to converse curiously. It's stated clearly in the guidelines. Here is a person encouraging curiosity and getting down voted. Why is the dismissive non-curious comment not getting down voted? Am I in denial about whether the curios community still exists here? To recognize the topic on hand... When a native community shares an oral tradition that accurately describes something that's…
ggp isn't being dismissive or incurious. They say they are skeptical of the reasoning used in the science.org article, but are still open to the accepting the conclusion. Does being curious mean you aren't allowed to question anything? gp is probably being downvoted for dismissing ggp's concerns with a trite "please educate yourself" and not actually referencing anything to read. Telling someone else they are wrong a…