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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by ronsor »

random3 wrote: post #18

And, of course, no thought is given to the implications this could have in conjunction with the next Orban. Europe is aligning against Russia as a threat, while at the same time shooting itself in the foot by disabling basic rights like privacy with absolutely no memory of how much more basic lack of privacy (enabled by Facebook) was leveraged with relatively simple tools ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Camb…

Europe has learned the lesson that extremists are bad, but it has not learned the lesson that the tools shouldn't exist.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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random3 wrote: post #18

And, of course, no thought is given to the implications this could have in conjunction with the next Orban. Europe is aligning against Russia as a threat, while at the same time shooting itself in the foot by disabling basic rights like privacy with absolutely no memory of how much more basic lack of privacy (enabled by Facebook) was leveraged with relatively simple tools ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Camb…

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

nekusar wrote: post #14

I came from the oldschool cypherpunk cryptogeeks when it meant secure comms and not shitcoin. There was a subset of us who thought that encryption wasn't the final goal, but steganography was needed to HIDE the encrypted comms. Else simple encryption could be attacked legally, or with a crowbar. And with every bloody week a large government is "let's backdoor encryption haha" its high time to really develop stego tha…

Rare AI slop use case

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by qiine »

nekusar wrote: post #14

I came from the oldschool cypherpunk cryptogeeks when it meant secure comms and not shitcoin. There was a subset of us who thought that encryption wasn't the final goal, but steganography was needed to HIDE the encrypted comms. Else simple encryption could be attacked legally, or with a crowbar. And with every bloody week a large government is "let's backdoor encryption haha" its high time to really develop stego tha…

I think people use emoji for this

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by JoshTriplett »

yyny wrote: post #15
petre wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's linked in the second paragraph of article. More effective tools for law enforcement and stronger JHA agencies Law enforcement needs the right tools to be effective. And with 85% of criminal investigations relying on digital information, this includes lawful access to data: … · A Roadmap on lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement, · A Technology Roadmap on encryption, and an impact assessment with…

"Law enforcement need lawful ways to enter a home" "See! The government is trying to pick all our locks" Okay dude. Taking off the tinfoil hat for a second here, but maybe they're just trying to do the thing they say they are doing, namely, lessen friction to obtain things like camera footage, financial data, and internet usage.

> "See! The government is trying to pick all our locks"

Them having to bring lockpicks (or more commonly a battering ram) would be preferable. This is more like "all locks and locksmiths must only manufacture locks that can be opened with one of a handful of TSA-approved backdoor keys".

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by throw0101a »

Signal, Apple iMessage, and WhatsApp have to announce at some point that they will simply stop providing services to any country/region that insists on breaking E2EE. All you'll be left with is unencrypted RCS.

It's a bit of a 'nuclear option', but at the end of the day, once one jurisdiction forces them to break the math, every other one will as well.

IMHO, it's the only way to force the proponent(s) of these proposal(s) to see the folly of their ways (and it's no guarantee that they will).

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by vixen99 »

watwut wrote: post #20
tokai wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

It has nothing to with EU itseld and a lot of to do with far right trying to turn people against EU. EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk. They want to push it over the line and break down. Just a few months ago, there was push to call European countries vasals of USA - exactly when they said "no". Somehow Venezuela is not a vassal state and somehow Saudi completely dependent on USA we…

From a comment further up: 'If you don't know, the unfortunate way the EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them.'.

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Post by microtonal »

nerdalytics wrote: post #9
microtonal wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. This is also why we should resist getting locked further into the Apple/Google duopoly. In such closed systems it will be straightforward to require backdoors. Much harder if we have general-purpose computers that we can run our own software on.

That's why for wallet features only Apple and Google are allowed. Condition everyone picking only iOS or Android, but not Linux, or others.

Yep, conversely, this wouldn't have happened if we had a healthy mobile ecosystem.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

throw0101a wrote: post #26

Signal, Apple iMessage, and WhatsApp have to announce at some point that they will simply stop providing services to any country/region that insists on breaking E2EE. All you'll be left with is unencrypted RCS. It's a bit of a 'nuclear option', but at the end of the day, once one jurisdiction forces them to break the math, every other one will as well. IMHO, it's the only way to force the proponent(s) of these propos…

Sorry, maybe I'm dumb. Why would "gatekeepers" poke the bear?

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by christkv »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators. If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them. If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tri…

This its more like an oligarch edict with democratic dressing. Its set up so the European elite can force political chance without having to deal with annoying things like democracy other than in name
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