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European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by baal80spam »

tokai wrote: post #10
miroljub wrote: post #7

Only a fascist like totalitarian government would keep pushing for more and control and les freedoms. Their biggest ploy was they convicted people 1984 was a description of a communist dictatorship, and not an execution manual for European democracies on how to strengthen their grips.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

Funny, I see something completely opposite.

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

tokai wrote: post #10
miroljub wrote: post #7

Only a fascist like totalitarian government would keep pushing for more and control and les freedoms. Their biggest ploy was they convicted people 1984 was a description of a communist dictatorship, and not an execution manual for European democracies on how to strengthen their grips.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

When you stop seeing it is when you know there is a real problem.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by nekusar »

I came from the oldschool cypherpunk cryptogeeks when it meant secure comms and not shitcoin.

There was a subset of us who thought that encryption wasn't the final goal, but steganography was needed to HIDE the encrypted comms. Else simple encryption could be attacked legally, or with a crowbar.

And with every bloody week a large government is "let's backdoor encryption haha" its high time to really develop stego that can overlay on top of text, pictures, audio, and video. Only then can they play fuck-fuck games about spying on our comms, and they'll see innocuous banter - but its really stego'd comms overlay.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by yyny »

petre wrote: post #6
microtonal wrote: post #3

Is the actual text of the workplan somewhere? The linked article refers to the text more effective tools for law enforcement in the press release and then infers or implies that this means more encryption backdoors, but I could not find that in an actual EU text? (Edit: I'm not doubting that they want to make backdoors mandatory, I'd just like to see the actual text.)

It's linked in the second paragraph of article. More effective tools for law enforcement and stronger JHA agencies Law enforcement needs the right tools to be effective. And with 85% of criminal investigations relying on digital information, this includes lawful access to data: … · A Roadmap on lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement, · A Technology Roadmap on encryption, and an impact assessment with…

"Law enforcement need lawful ways to enter a home"

"See! The government is trying to pick all our locks"

Okay dude. Taking off the tinfoil hat for a second here, but maybe they're just trying to do the thing they say they are doing, namely, lessen friction to obtain things like camera footage, financial data, and internet usage.

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Post by notpushkin »

nekusar wrote: post #14

I came from the oldschool cypherpunk cryptogeeks when it meant secure comms and not shitcoin. There was a subset of us who thought that encryption wasn't the final goal, but steganography was needed to HIDE the encrypted comms. Else simple encryption could be attacked legally, or with a crowbar. And with every bloody week a large government is "let's backdoor encryption haha" its high time to really develop stego tha…

The point was never to make it impossible to have E2E communication. They just want to make it too inconvenient so that they can spy on the ordinary people. Criminals will, of course, find a way to have secure conversations – this is just a pretext.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

yyny wrote: post #15
petre wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's linked in the second paragraph of article. More effective tools for law enforcement and stronger JHA agencies Law enforcement needs the right tools to be effective. And with 85% of criminal investigations relying on digital information, this includes lawful access to data: … · A Roadmap on lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement, · A Technology Roadmap on encryption, and an impact assessment with…

"Law enforcement need lawful ways to enter a home" "See! The government is trying to pick all our locks" Okay dude. Taking off the tinfoil hat for a second here, but maybe they're just trying to do the thing they say they are doing, namely, lessen friction to obtain things like camera footage, financial data, and internet usage.

Maybe. I think that strengthening laws that force servers to be more diligent would be unpopular (especially with this crowd), but it's a lot different from forcing backdoors.

The idea of backdoors needs to be drawn and quartered, and the pieces buried under crossroads.

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by random3 »

And, of course, no thought is given to the implications this could have in conjunction with the next Orban. Europe is aligning against Russia as a threat, while at the same time shooting itself in the foot by disabling basic rights like privacy with absolutely no memory of how much more basic lack of privacy (enabled by Facebook) was leveraged with relatively simple tools (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_d...) to help Brexit happen (effectively breaking Europe apart).

This quote from Apocalypto stuck with me "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by bradley13 »

The European Commission has far too much power, and answers far too little to the populace. In reality, they want to be dictators.

If you don't know, the unfortunate way thf EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them.

If the Parliament votes "wrong", the Commission just repackages the idea in a new bill, pulls a couple of dirty tricks, and tried again. They only have to succeed once. See ChatControl for a prime example.

So the EU will eventually require backdoors in encryption. It's only a question of how many tries it takes...

Re: European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy

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Post by watwut »

tokai wrote: post #10
miroljub wrote: post #7

Only a fascist like totalitarian government would keep pushing for more and control and les freedoms. Their biggest ploy was they convicted people 1984 was a description of a communist dictatorship, and not an execution manual for European democracies on how to strengthen their grips.

I'm so tired of reading stuff like this under any article covering the political struggle over surveillance in EU. While US posts about surveilling journalists, letting 'law' enforcement run wild with no oversight, and so on, either gets flagged to death or talked down.

It has nothing to with EU itseld and a lot of to do with far right trying to turn people against EU. EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk. They want to push it over the line and break down.

Just a few months ago, there was push to call European countries vasals of USA - exactly when they said "no". Somehow Venezuela is not a vassal state and somehow Saudi completely dependent on USA were "standing on own feet".

That disappeard, now EU is fascist. Somehow Orban never was tho.

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