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Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by ajasmin »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #19

At the very least, I do encourage people who are working on personal projects for explicitly learning and studying purposes to purposefully not use AI. Of course, if the purpose of the project is to learn AI, then that rule is allowed to be broken. Anecdotal example but I know plenty of students (Including my own brother) who graduated recently who did it almost entirely with AI (unfortunately at the request of their…

Sure. No AI for toy projects:. But the professional mission-critical ones, you should just let the LLM write them

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by kstenerud »

coldtea wrote: post #103
kstenerud wrote: post #92

Reminds me of when we were admonished to use a "real" compiled language rather than an interpreted, GC'd one, lest we lose our ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to continue using assembly, lest our "real" skills atrophy from too much cushy C development. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to keep our scope and probe skills sharp, and read and u…

> Reminds me of when we were admonished to use a "real" compiled language rather than an interpreted, GC'd one, lest we lose our ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory. And they were right. People used in interpreted and GC ones lost most if not all the ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory. Today's bloated "1GB RAM for a small form app" apps are the results of this. > You don't need to…

> People used in interpreted and GC ones lost most if not all the ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory.

It's not that they lost it, but rather that they never learned it. I didn't lose my ability to reason about those things during the 4 years where I worked in Python and Java.

And once again, for average software devs that's fine. Most non-critical software that doesn't perform very complex tasks can be optimized for time-to-market, which of course loses in other areas the business doesn't care as much about (such as bloat).

When that's not the case, you hire a specialist.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

yipinwong wrote: post #28

This will be the pattern only the "privileged" workers will be able to afford. Not using AI is similar to giving employees 20% of their time for any non-sprint work. This privilege of No AI usage a day will lower the productivity, and rarely any companies will allow it (if they track your usage, which I am sure they do)

Privileged workers are the ones who's employers are paying for AI while still keeping them employed in the first place.

The end goal of every AI initiative is to lower headcount, if your employer is forcing AI usage you are digging your own grave.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by kekebo »

Maybe this is a useful way to address maladaptive llm use for some, but it seems to focus the discussion on either-or (using llms) as opposed to how (to use them).

For things you want to learn: Are you asking to have something solved, or are you asking for information so you can solve it?

There may be detrimental learning effects even with asking llms for information, but I think there's a fundamental difference in addressing it as an intern/slave vs teacher/tutor.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by hirvi74 »

Kuyawa wrote: post #39

AI 24/7 > Study after study shows that using LLMs can cause you to accumulate cognitive debt, make you less engaged with your work, negatively impact your critical thinking abilities, and hamper your skill formation. False I've learned more, I am more engaged, it has positively impacted my critical thinking abilities and has increased my skill formation For me it's AI 24/7 even on sundays

> ...cause you to accumulate cognitive debt, make you less engaged with your work, negatively impact your critical thinking abilities, and hamper your skill formation.

My employer gifted me all that years before LLMs were released.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by seizethecheese »

burner54828182 wrote: post #100
kstenerud wrote: post #92

Reminds me of when we were admonished to use a "real" compiled language rather than an interpreted, GC'd one, lest we lose our ability to reason about the system, cache, and memory. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to continue using assembly, lest our "real" skills atrophy from too much cushy C development. Which reminds me of when we were admonished to keep our scope and probe skills sharp, and read and u…

Apples and oranges

Apples, apple juice, apple concentrate

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by echelon »

eudamoniac wrote: post #73
echelon wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do not get all of y'all claiming this causes you to "not be able to think". I worked on six nines active active payments infra that handled billions in daily transaction volume. I've built laser projection systems to play interactive games on skyscrapers. That ability is not atrophying. I'm able to do 10-20x what I was able to do before AI, and I'm able to work at a breadth, depth, and level of polish that w…

What is this 5M business?

https://getartcraft.com

https://youtu.be/kzvQMdg66Go (Now with full animation control, not just blocking and posing.)

This isn't UGC. I know a lot of studios from my filmmaking and 30% of my customers are spending thousands of dollars a month. It's got really good word of mouth and 89% M3 retention.

There are two films coming out in theaters this year that use ArtCraft.

It's also completely open source (the desktop app and the server).

There's another variant of ArtCraft that works with other subscriptions (Runway, Higgs, OpenArt, Comfy, etc.) that I'm testing with some artists: https://artcraftx.ai

Artists are fine tuning their own workflows on top of my own source software and then sharing their variants of ArtCraft.

I'm building OpenSourceRouter.com (soon) that will be an open source OpenRouter/FAL/RunPod/Featherless fine tunes. It already powers ArtCraft and is 90% complete to launch. Maybe in the future compute will be fully portable and you can just login to services with compute.

I'm also building a collaborative space for AI artists to share workflows, refs, fine tunes, network, and collaboratively build. This side of the business is already here and growing and I haven't built the infra for it yet. It's currently in Discord and an assortment of other places.

I'm going to make ArtCraft work with local models too. Comfy is not comfortable, and an all-rust/native, heavily opinionated product with lots of love from filmmakers and artists can do a better job than node graphs IMO.

I really care about these tools and I'm doing all of this from a place of passion. I'm not a mercenary trying to get rich quick. I'm here for the mission of empowering artists (and I count myself - this is a tool for me.)

It's growing really fast and I'm talking to bigger and bigger folks. It's kind of wild.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by ynac »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #19

At the very least, I do encourage people who are working on personal projects for explicitly learning and studying purposes to purposefully not use AI. Of course, if the purpose of the project is to learn AI, then that rule is allowed to be broken. Anecdotal example but I know plenty of students (Including my own brother) who graduated recently who did it almost entirely with AI (unfortunately at the request of their…

That reminds me of "coding" in my Roaring Spring No.20165. Which is to say, my notebook. It was great for when I didn't have access to a computer. I remember the feeling of how cool it looked along side cartoons of monsters and cars crashing into the paper's edge.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by skybrian »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #48
skybrian wrote: post #25

I’m not going to go that far (you do you), but reading the source code seems like a great way to remain in touch with the implementation. On my hobby project, I do a lot of reading code, asking the AI pointed questions about how things work, and asking it to clean up messes.

> reading the source code seems like a great way to remain in touch with the implementation Reading code is way less enjoyable than writing it

It depends why you’re reading it. I enjoy cleaning up messy source code, and now I have a power tool to do it.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Post by hello_moto »

brookst wrote: post #58
tempest_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difference between taking your own notes and skimming someone else's. I have found in the last year I "get more done" but I learn less. Whats even worse is if I burn though my token quota I am less likely(and less able) to "switch to manual". LLMs make an ocean of decisions and assumptions very quickly and if you don't slow it down very intentionally (and lose the promise of the AI providers are pitching) you will qu…

It’s funny, I’m the exact opposite. I’ve tackled projects at scales I could never have done before, and learned more than I would have. My actual coding ability is probably lower, but I’ve learned so much about music theory and production, CAD, and statistics. All because my hobby projects can go so much further than before.

Will that knowledge stick? Given that you blasted through many things relatively quick?
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