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Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by xboxnolifes »

SoftTalker wrote: post #11
shikshake wrote: post #8

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Get politically involved, vote and and volunteer for local pro-climate candidates. Talk about and promote public transport, cycling, better zoning and infrastructure etc. People underestimate the power of local politics. On a macro scale all you can really do is vote for national level candidates that care about these issues. Luckily it’s not hard to see which ones do and which ones don’t.

Individually you can't do anything. You can drive an EV, set your AC to 78, or whatever makes you feel good but only national governments can make the regulatory changes that will really have an impact. I even roll my eyes at my city council spending even one second on climate change policy (and they have spent whole meetings on it). Our city of 80,000 people could disappear from the face of the planet and it would n…

A small town's policy can influence larger city policy, which can influence national policy.

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Post by Timon3 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #200
Timon3 wrote: post #191

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Carbon taxes can be implemented such that average folks benefit from them, e.g. by paying everyone back the average tax amount. Wealth generally correlates with carbon emissions, so wealthy people would pay more than they get back. This would greatly incentivize less emissions-intensive products and services. Unfortunately there's no way the rich would ever let this go through.

> Wealth generally correlates with carbon emissions That may be true but there aren't enough wealthy people to just attack their consumption. In aggregate, regular people use a lot more energy. There's no way out of this that is going to be popular.

> That may be true but there aren't enough wealthy people to just attack their consumption.

Not sure I understand, the goal isn't to attack anyone's consumption? The whole idea is to stop costs from being externalized. The concept doesn't require wealthy people to make sense, but existing wealth disparity makes it even more attractive for regular people.

> In aggregate, regular people use a lot more energy.

Why would the aggregate matter? Individually, regular people use waaaay less energy than the upper class. That means these regular people would, on average, come out slightly positive. And the "cleaner" someone's lifestyle is, the better this scheme would leave them (which poor people necessarily tend towards, since they cannot afford spending much on consumption).

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by slashdev »

folkrav wrote: post #198
slashdev wrote: post #126

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US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

Asia does about 50% the global emissions while having 60% of the world's population. The US alone does about 12% being 5% of global population. US approaches 15t/CO2 per capita. Every single country in Asia is under 9t, China and India included. This is despite the US having outsourced most of its heavy manufacturing to, of course, Asia. Blaming Asia alone and refusing any responsibility is a massive cop out.

Per capita is rather pointless when talking about climate change, but yes, it doesn't absolve responsibility.

You'll note that's not what I said, just that the US is doing well at reducing CO2 emissions. The population has grown 17%, but emissions have reduced 18%. That's a good job.

US manufacturing has not decreased either, it has just not increased while offshoring elsewhere. So for the most part that decrease in CO2 is not simply moving the problem elsewhere.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by slashdev »

Hikikomori wrote: post #172
slashdev wrote: post #126

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US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

China built more solar in 2025 than the US has in total. Meanwhile trump ripping up wind and solar builds.

China also built more coal than the US has in total. Don't forget the scale is different there.

But yes, it's sad to see America about face on climate change under Trump.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by slashdev »

nyc640 wrote: post #167
slashdev wrote: post #126

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US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

Yes, let's look at "Asia" (as if that's some meaningful grouping in this context when the countries are so different culturally, geographically, and economically). Since 2005, a huge amount of US manufacturing and resource processing (both large emitters) have been outsourced (largely to Asia, and more specifically China). Our economy doesn't function without these imported emissions, yet they don't count as "US emis…

The population in the US has grown 17%, but emissions have reduced 18%. I think it's doing a good job and merely needs to continue that trajectory. The Trump administration is making some poor decisions there, but won't last much longer, it matters more if that's a long-term Republican position or merely an aberation.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by slashdev »

pvaldes wrote: post #178
slashdev wrote: post #126

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US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

But the sins of out grandgrandpas haven't vanished, and still will need to be paid.

That's less an issue than the new emissions going forward from Asia and Africa.

We can't very well tell them to stay poor. They're going to increase their energy usage and they're right to do so.

Hopefully renewables and EVs are competitive enough to reduce the impact of the rest of the world developing to Western levels. Which they may well, thanks to China and Elon Musk's Tesla for jump starting that transition.

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Post by BearOso »

timnetworks wrote: post #38

The planet started out a ball of molten stardust, completely inhospitable to life as we know it. But then there was not only life, but life detached from the ground too. Then K-T event wiped out almost all of it. But the planet kept going! It can be argued it got better and more diverse. Are people in trouble? Perhaps. If we stop technological achievement in the name of a few degrees centigrade, then definitely.

If burning dead organic matter is modern technology, then I guess the pinnacle of science was in the stone age when we learned to make fire.

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Post by tito »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #134
tito wrote: post #79

Stripe's climate researcher Zeke Hausfather is coming to AirMiners this Wednesday to share about El Niño climate science, the impacts, and then we're going to work on what we can do to avert the worst impacts of this storm. Come join! https://luma.com/tu0uvbx1

CCS is a scam promoted by the fossil fuel companies

I lean towards agreeing with you. That said, people often confuse carbon dioxide removal with CCS. Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) generally refers to "carbon neutral" technologies to pull carbon dioxide out of emissions. At some kind of theoretical best, CCS is carbon neutral, so the best CCS can ever hope to offer is being neutral like solar, wind, or nuclear.

Carbon dioxide removal refers to a different process. Carbon dioxide removal is the process to pull carbon dioxide back out of the air itself. It's not a supplement or replacement for carbon neutral technologies. Every model proposed by the IPCC to stay at 1.5C of warming requires billions of tons of carbon dioxide, alongside zeroing out new emissions.

Also, this event is about El Niño.

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Post by Noaidi »

dalyons wrote: post #116
Noaidi wrote: post #111

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Both parties in the United States are pretty much turning a blind eye to climate change. What we need to do is start boycotting parties, telling them we won’t vote for them unless they have really strong climate platforms. We need to make them want our vote.

This is some “both sides” absolute bullshit. The Biden administration passed the IRA, huge incentives for personal and commercial renewable energy production, EVs, all kinds of things. Trump is paying people to burn more coal, blocking solar, canceling wind. Could the dems have done more, sure. Are those programs perfect, absolutely not. But one party is moving in the right direction and the other is actively trying…

They are both not doing enough. Yes, the Republicans and Trump are much worse, I was not saying they were same at all. But what needs to happen is far from anything the Biden administration has done or proposed. IF you think what Biden has done was good enough then you do not understand what is happening with the climate right now. Yes I will vote for a Democrat over a Republican, but I am not expecting change to come from them, it needs to come from us. The Democrats get money from the same corporations.

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Post by Noaidi »

estearum wrote: post #194
Noaidi wrote: post #111

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Both parties in the United States are pretty much turning a blind eye to climate change. What we need to do is start boycotting parties, telling them we won’t vote for them unless they have really strong climate platforms. We need to make them want our vote.

Imagine thinking that politicians give literally even one single fuck about non-voters' opinions lmao

Did you see what happened to Harris in Michigan when people protested and did not support her?

https://www.wcmu.org/local-regional-news/2025-01-16/michigan...

Well, this is what she said after the race was over:

Harris labels Biden Gaza response ‘inadequate’: ‘I … pleaded with Joe’ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5517261-kamala-h...

You have to make them want your vote.

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