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Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

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When python started incorporating asyncio my initial reaction was fairly negative. I was behaving like a grumpy graybeard programmer ("kids these days should learn how to use concurrency instead of working on a new runtime altogether!" [0]). But after using it for a production project I have to say I'm deeply satisfied and surprised by the maturity, quality of APIs and performance in general. I was proven wrong and I…

asyncio has always looked interesting, but whenever I have run into a problem which could use asyncio I have always gone with multiprocesses instead. I am not sure if async would makes my code easier for others to read and debug, and none of my problems seems to be of the kind where process overhead would make a noticeable difference in performance. Did you find readability to be improved by going async?

I mean… if you have unlimited resources and unlimited speed, going multiprocess makes complete sense.

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#192

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For me it is quite bad, but just we are now used to it. In the same way that when you ask Windows users about all the bugs and problems they have with their system, they often say that they don't have any. And ten seconds later, will click "ok" on a random crash popup they didn't even read the content of.

Can you elaborate? Why is Python asyncio bad?

He's probably one of the people who didn't bother to read the documentation.

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#193

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For me it is quite bad, but just we are now used to it. In the same way that when you ask Windows users about all the bugs and problems they have with their system, they often say that they don't have any. And ten seconds later, will click "ok" on a random crash popup they didn't even read the content of.

Can you elaborate? Why is Python asyncio bad?

First for the syntax it is quite not good, you have to use await and async keywords plus async everything version of all that you are using.

You can't mix non async code with async. And you can easily do in some way and block your application without you noticing.

And in the end, async is not even really async, just cooperative execution.

I'm a big fan of Python since very low version. And I don't have too much difficulty using async/asyncio now I'm used to it, but in all honesty I don't think that it is really great in the grand scheme of things.

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#194
post #39

Can an experienced player gives us a summary of what's the "vibe" of the EVE online community these days? I was lightly involved ~15 years ago.

I started more than 15 years ago and recently got back into it. I would say that game has stagnated a lot more, character numbers may seem like it isn't that low but in reality most people who play it has around 5 accounts which they multibox with. So number of actual people who play it went really down. It is looking bleak for the future, and i can confidently say that it is all CCP's fault (called Fenris Creations…

I tried their new "survival" EVE Frontier game - oh boy was that disappointing.

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#195
post #62

Can an experienced player gives us a summary of what's the "vibe" of the EVE online community these days? I was lightly involved ~15 years ago.

The thing I miss the most about Eve Online is the immersive free market economy. I long for a true, in-depth economic MMO more than the space veneer around the order book. Buy low, sell high. Specialize in industry, trading, transportation. Add a little bit of light PvP to inject chaos and it's more fun than playing the stock market. (I am actually designing such a game, but I'm open to suggestions) My main activity…

We are trying to build this with seed.game. We don't have everything you're mentioning (yet), but parts of it!

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#196
post #62

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The thing I miss the most about Eve Online is the immersive free market economy. I long for a true, in-depth economic MMO more than the space veneer around the order book. Buy low, sell high. Specialize in industry, trading, transportation. Add a little bit of light PvP to inject chaos and it's more fun than playing the stock market. (I am actually designing such a game, but I'm open to suggestions) My main activity…

We are trying to build this with seed.game. We don't have everything you're mentioning (yet), but parts of it!

Looks really interesting. Any plans for a Linux client? Or do you maybe test and build with proper Wine support?

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#197
post #62

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The thing I miss the most about Eve Online is the immersive free market economy. I long for a true, in-depth economic MMO more than the space veneer around the order book. Buy low, sell high. Specialize in industry, trading, transportation. Add a little bit of light PvP to inject chaos and it's more fun than playing the stock market. (I am actually designing such a game, but I'm open to suggestions) My main activity…

Check out Offworld Trading Company.

I enjoyed off world trading company but it’s a very different kind of economic simulator- much shorter and gamified loops - which isn’t a criticism, just not exactly the same itch.

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

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post #38

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Although i really love or maybe have some memories, but isn't ms excel outdated , kinda, except the idea that it's always have easy fast solution

So outdated that this week Apple used it as a benchmark of the M6 Mac mini: "Spreadsheet calculations in Microsoft Excel are up to 2.3 times faster than on an M1-based Mac mini"

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/08/apple-unveils-a-more-...

Re: EVE Online moves to Python 3

#200
post #196

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We are trying to build this with seed.game. We don't have everything you're mentioning (yet), but parts of it!

Looks really interesting. Any plans for a Linux client? Or do you maybe test and build with proper Wine support?

Linux is working through Proton! There is also large thread on this in our Discord.

https://www.protondb.com/app/2938800

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