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Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by ssl-3 »

_0xdd wrote: post #30

In ~2017 I ditched FreeNAS when my FreeNAS Mini died from the Atom C2000 hardware failure. iXSystems was great about getting me a replacement board, but I decided when I rebuilt the system to just use FreeBSD and get used to command-line only administration. That directly lead to me learning pf, jails, bhyve, etc. Yeah, I don't have any fancy web UI, but I've had a rock solid system for almost 10 years with Samba + N…

I've been using things like Samba and NFS since the 1990s. They're not hard to figure out with useful resolution.

When I finally became determined to give ZFS a serious go around 2016, I looked at all of my options -- including throwing some hardware together for FreeNAS, and running FreeNAS in a VM.

I decided to just use an existing Linux box that was already doing storage stuff and add ZFS to it.

It's been fine ever since. Keeping ZFS going isn't deep voodoo at all; of all the things this box does, ZFS has probably been the most hands-off aspect of it.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by teruakohatu »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20
teruakohatu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is disappointing, time to migrate from yet another was-open-source-now-only-technically-open-source software. At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. Essentially treat open source as closed source. How did we end up with this state of affairs?

Why is it not enough to give you all of their code for free? Why do they also have obligations and expectations beyond that? The entitlement never ends! > At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that…

> "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that you can type these words with a straight face.

I explicitly stated in my comment that we pay for open source (via vendor support). That is not the issue.

It is now a common business strategy to commercialise an open source project. FreeNAS was commercialised as TrueNAS, which is now having some of the source pulled.

TrueNAS doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s built on source projects.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

teruakohatu wrote: post #42
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it not enough to give you all of their code for free? Why do they also have obligations and expectations beyond that? The entitlement never ends! > At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that…

> "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that you can type these words with a straight face. I explicitly stated in my comment that we pay for open source (via vendor support). That is not the issue. It is now a common business strategy to commercialise an open source project. FreeNAS was commercialised as TrueNAS, which is now having some of t…

> I explicitly stated in my comment that we pay for open source (via vendor support). That is not the issue.

Your statements clearly took issue with the fact that your company has to pay open-source devs whose work it uses for reliability. You presented the options as "pay them, or else get rugpulled", and then went on to say "how did we end up in this state of affairs [where we must pay to not get rugpulled]". There is no possible way to interpret your comment other than lamenting the "state of affairs".

> TrueNAS doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s built on source projects.

As long as it isn't violating the license of those projects, they still don't owe anyone anything. If it is violating the license, complain about it on those terms. But your complaint was about open-source in general, not specifically only this project.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by asteroidburger »

_0xdd wrote: post #30

In ~2017 I ditched FreeNAS when my FreeNAS Mini died from the Atom C2000 hardware failure. iXSystems was great about getting me a replacement board, but I decided when I rebuilt the system to just use FreeBSD and get used to command-line only administration. That directly lead to me learning pf, jails, bhyve, etc. Yeah, I don't have any fancy web UI, but I've had a rock solid system for almost 10 years with Samba + N…

Yeah, I just run bare Debian myself. It's really not hard to setup LVM and Samba. And all of the major frontier models are well-versed in those things, so I used their help to get all of the various bits setup to make access from MacOS fast.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by sherr »

ssl-3 wrote: post #41
_0xdd wrote: post #30

In ~2017 I ditched FreeNAS when my FreeNAS Mini died from the Atom C2000 hardware failure. iXSystems was great about getting me a replacement board, but I decided when I rebuilt the system to just use FreeBSD and get used to command-line only administration. That directly lead to me learning pf, jails, bhyve, etc. Yeah, I don't have any fancy web UI, but I've had a rock solid system for almost 10 years with Samba + N…

I've been using things like Samba and NFS since the 1990s. They're not hard to figure out with useful resolution. When I finally became determined to give ZFS a serious go around 2016, I looked at all of my options -- including throwing some hardware together for FreeNAS, and running FreeNAS in a VM. I decided to just use an existing Linux box that was already doing storage stuff and add ZFS to it. It's been fine eve…

This is what I do, to try out ZFS in a "safe" and easy way. An HP Microserver (my home server) with a USB3 disk attached formatted as ZFS. The server still runs Debian stable and uses DKMS ZFS. The recent pain points have only been the time taken to rebuild the kernel module for kernel updates and there have been a lot of them over the past few months (due to all the CVE's found and fixed). The ZFS side has been plain sailing so far but if I hit any ZFS issues I may have trouble (but, as I say, it's a test anyway).

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #36
Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not give all of the code. If you have an object, and don't have everything needed to reproduce the object, then you have not been given the source to the object. And with BSD licenced code this is their right. And it's my and anyone else's right to observe all of this and criticize it.

Likewise, it is my right to criticise you for exercising your right to criticise them. Nobody said you aren't allowed to, but just as anyone is allowed to whine about not being given enough free stuff, I'm allowed to call out that they're acting like an entitled child in public. Just because you can legally do something doesn't mean that it is socially acceptable to do so.

They chose to base their enterprise on the work of others, only to pull the ladder up behind them.

Fuck that noise. They are the ones breaking the social contract, not the folks criticizing them for it.

Shameful of you.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by hatch_q »

a1o wrote: post #22
magicalhippo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for those still confused, CORE is FreeBSD-based and has been discontinued, while SCALE is Debian-based and the version that will be developed by TrueNAS going forwards. Hence the "continued" part in the title.

Ha interesting, any idea why the FreeBSD variant was discontinued? This was one of the projects I always associated with FreeBSD.

Poor hardware support.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by Gud »

sbseitz wrote: post #26
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #7

This seems nice. FreeBSD always seemed nicer than Linux, though now that Linux is being developed by LLMs and Torvalds is vibe-coding, I wonder if they'll be able to keep up.

FreeBSD is different but i'd certainly not call it nicer, at least in the past 15 years.

For servers, especially file servers, FreeBSD is superior to any Linux distribution, in my opinion.
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