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LLMs are making me lose my savviness

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Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#11

Using AI can open up topics you couldn't work on before. I think you're blaming tools for what are other problems. No carpenter ever said "I used to plane wood by hand and carve magnificent pieces, now that I have an orbital sander and power tools, the love just isn't there". I don't buy this argument at all.

> No carpenter ever said "I used to plane wood by hand and carve magnificent pieces, now that I have an orbital sander and power tools, the love just isn't there".

I would guess probably lots did say that?

At the very least I have no idea why you would be able to claim otherwise, we are far removed in time from when there were carpenters straddling the introduction of power tools.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#12
It is opposite for me than what the author describes. With AI I can explore new areas far more effectively. For example, I have never been great with front end web stuff, but asking LLMs to generate something and then looking at the code they built is pretty cool.

Of course there are errors and gaffes and weird bits all over, but that helps keep me in the loop and understanding it better.

I can now (more) boldly go where I feared to tread before.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#13

Using AI can open up topics you couldn't work on before. I think you're blaming tools for what are other problems. No carpenter ever said "I used to plane wood by hand and carve magnificent pieces, now that I have an orbital sander and power tools, the love just isn't there". I don't buy this argument at all.

But that’s not the right analogy, in my opinion. It would be a carpenter saying “I used to carve by hand, but now I tell the carving machine to make a chair and it spits it out.”

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#14
It's true that LLMs have trivialized some aspects of software development. (We're at the "software writes itself following natural language inputs" stage.)

What's nevertheless true is that they've hardly touched hardware hacking. There are so many interesting opportunities right now in robots, drones, materials, batteries, and custom embedded systems that still demand dirty hands and physical intuition. These still reward savvy, and they're fun!

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#15
From the article: With the LLMs every time there’s a mistake, I don’t learn. I can spot the mistake because I have some experience (lucky enough to have been born 34 years ago), I can pinpoint the mistake and let the LLM fix it.

This is something I realized when I became a manager of programmers rather than doing the work myself. When I write code I do it from a position of having a deep understanding of what all the moving pieces are, when someone working for me writes code I just have to trust they had that level of understanding[1].

But being a manger, the thrill of solving the puzzle was replaced by the thrill of helping some new engineer get better at the craft of writing code. They took pride in their growing skill set and I took pride in helping them grow.

Managing consultants however was very transactional. Did they deliver what was asked of them? Did they fix the flaws I pointed out? Do I still want to pay them?[2] And I could of course fire them easily and try new ones that had a reputation for being "better" at the tasks I needed done.

If history is any judge, there have been many companies over the years where some founder/leader has a "great idea" and just needed someone technical to make it real. And the typical arc for those companies was they get founded, they spend a ton of money on consultants to build their technology, something changes (fashion, systems, something) and their product is no longer a good fit for the market so they try to hire consultants to fix it, which now costs more than 2x because first the consultants had to understand what the previous consultants did, then they have to change it in a way that leadership wants. The result is a product that got more and more brittle until there wasn't enough money to or enough consultants to anneal the product back into something people would pay enough for to support the salaries of the visionary leaders who never had any idea at all of how the product they sold actually worked.

It feels like we're going to speed run that. In the LLM era.

[1] And of course that level of trust is not always warranted but that's a different comment :-)

[2] With consultants there is a velocity vs organizational expertise equation that always needs to be balanced. Dropping people into a legacy code base they've never seen is just as hard for them as dropping them into a consultant's work product that they hadn't previously seen.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#16

Using AI can open up topics you couldn't work on before. I think you're blaming tools for what are other problems. No carpenter ever said "I used to plane wood by hand and carve magnificent pieces, now that I have an orbital sander and power tools, the love just isn't there". I don't buy this argument at all.

The only problem with this analogy is that LLMs are not orbital sanders... Or if they are, they are orbital sanders that operate correctly only 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they do the wrong thing and cause you to do more work and/or damage the wood (not a great analogy though).

>they are orbital sanders that operate correctly only 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they do the wrong thing and cause you to do more work and/or damage the wood

So more of a home-gamer chainsaw? Except that I'm not positive the once/twice per year chainsaw is nearly so effective.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#17

It is opposite for me than what the author describes. With AI I can explore new areas far more effectively. For example, I have never been great with front end web stuff, but asking LLMs to generate something and then looking at the code they built is pretty cool. Of course there are errors and gaffes and weird bits all over, but that helps keep me in the loop and understanding it better. I can now (more) boldly go w…

Is reading example code uncool?

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#18
I am finding the opposite, but then I mostly work on algorithms and writing a lot of code to test various approaches to improve them is boring.

Today I had claude figure out that using SIMD would not improve performance, and it gave me an analysis of why not. So my savvy improved without having to spend days figuring that out.

Having said that, I get that using AI can also make things less fun and reduce your learning too. I guess it depends on what you use it for.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#19

It is opposite for me than what the author describes. With AI I can explore new areas far more effectively. For example, I have never been great with front end web stuff, but asking LLMs to generate something and then looking at the code they built is pretty cool. Of course there are errors and gaffes and weird bits all over, but that helps keep me in the loop and understanding it better. I can now (more) boldly go w…

I think the difference is that you read the code and get curious about it rather than glancing at the output and immediately telling it what to correct.

Re: LLMs are making me lose my savviness

#20

It is opposite for me than what the author describes. With AI I can explore new areas far more effectively. For example, I have never been great with front end web stuff, but asking LLMs to generate something and then looking at the code they built is pretty cool. Of course there are errors and gaffes and weird bits all over, but that helps keep me in the loop and understanding it better. I can now (more) boldly go w…

I feel the same empowerment. LLMs allow me to tap into my second-order knowledge.
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