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Changes to Sourcehut's terms of service regarding LLMs

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Re: Changes to Sourcehut's terms of service regarding LLMs

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To be against copyright is to not believe the idea of "adversarial copying". It doesn't matter if you like or dislike what other people do with their copies. The act of copying simply does not harm you. The only way people can "abuse copyright against you" is if someone claims you violated their copyright, and invokes a DMCA takedown request, or sues you. You using the GPL will not protect you from this in any situat…

LLMs aid people in abusing copyright by stripping copyleft software of its freedoms and then making derivatives which the author then copyrights restrictively. It's simply not a level playing field when one party is allowed to restrictively copyright their work, it creates a competitive advantage. This is why copyleft exists, to prevent people enacting restrictive copyrights over their derivatives of copyleft works.

> This is why copyleft exists, to prevent people enacting restrictive copyrights over their derivatives of copyleft works.

But, even in that case, you have lost nothing. Other people doing anything with the code you released, including making restrictively licensed derivative works, does not harm you, cost you anything, or deprive you of anything you already had.

Re: Changes to Sourcehut's terms of service regarding LLMs

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs aid people in abusing copyright by stripping copyleft software of its freedoms and then making derivatives which the author then copyrights restrictively. It's simply not a level playing field when one party is allowed to restrictively copyright their work, it creates a competitive advantage. This is why copyleft exists, to prevent people enacting restrictive copyrights over their derivatives of copyleft works.

> This is why copyleft exists, to prevent people enacting restrictive copyrights over their derivatives of copyleft works. But, even in that case, you have lost nothing. Other people doing anything with the code you released, including making restrictively licensed derivative works, does not harm you, cost you anything, or deprive you of anything you already had.

Unless I have to interact with their software in which case I've lost the right to repair it.

Re: Changes to Sourcehut's terms of service regarding LLMs

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Drew convinced me that we should abolish copyright through his blog[1][2]. I find it very unfortunate that he uses the copyright licenses of the software hosted on SourHut as an argument against LLMs. Abolishing copyright means abolishing copyright for everyone, even you. Even if you don't like what people do with their copies. I also find the reference to the energy consumption of AI dated a year and a half ago to b…

While I am 100% with you that we've arrived at the place local GPUs can do real, good work and that it helps combat the energy arguments against certain LLM usage, Drew is not likely to agree with you. I can't find it on a quick search which tells me I'm probably remembering it from his prior Mastodon account, but I distinctly remember Drew once talking about how gaming GPUs were part of the (climate) problem and tha…

This seems really odd given that Drew chose to write and continues to maintain Sourcehut in a language that is one to two orders of magnitude less energy-efficient than C (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016764232...)

I wouldn't consider this particularly hypocritical for even most people opposed to computing at the gigawatt scale, but for someone who believes a 3060 is over the line it's another story.

Re: Changes to Sourcehut's terms of service regarding LLMs

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They put goaway on mailing list archives and I cannot read them anymore. I understand they are combating bots but this is going a bit too far. LLM policy is similar, I understand the argument against large players, but we have local LLM which can help, so the policy would require more nuance.
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