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The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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Weird article. Feels very 2025 for a 2026 article (both in ways it reads too anti AI to me and ways it seems not critical enough of ai)

>Also stop saying “please” to an LLM. It does not have any feelings.

It emulates having feelings and it's a next token predictor. The next token in a dataset where you respond to an engineer rudely and call them stupid is rarely said engineer locking in and delivering incredible code. You have to play along to get the output you want.

> Again, I recommend people try running small LLMs locally where temperature and other settings are fully exposed and configurable to see this themselves.

This is like saying you should experiment with a paper airplane to see why fighter jets are overrated. Also the general understanding of temperature is not super solid here - it's not just that its "too boring" without it - random sampling is required for the models to work.

>Why are benchmarks showing they're still improving?

Ironically this section is far too generous to LLMs and benchmarks. lLMs cheat and companies benchmax. Don't trust benchmarks. They lie

Also in the what I do section - are these using local LLMs too? "Sometimes looping llms on itself can make it fix its own errors" feels very 2025 - the modern state of things is more "we've given up on one shots and getting it to produce the right answer immediately, set it up with a test harness so it can fix its own mistakes and let it loop otherwise it won't work." Also "asked fellow developers to make sure their code is well structured, easy to follow and documented. LLMs unfortunately make it easier for people to cheat in this regard" - really? Easy to follow? Maybe gpt models with good steering but trying to get an anthropic model to speak coherently and clearly and write documentation that isn't incomprehensible slop is a Herculean effort

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that skill at coding is not exactly the same thing as skill at developing and maintaining software, and AI can help there as well, but a swarm of cowboy coder agents will get you to a legacy codebase very very quickly. And even if the AI is better than most humans, the speed means that you get more defects and issues! If a human developer has a change failure rate of say 10%, (1 in 10 changes causes a…

> the speed means that you get more defects and issues You forget to account for the rate of error correction. You can just choose how many bugs you want now: https://nolanlawson.com/2026/08/16/you-can-just-choose-how-m...

How many new bugs get introduced in those fixes?

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

#64
post #17

Exactly the post you'd expect at this stage in the technology adoption and hype cycle. People got over hyped not understanding how technology and technology adaption works. Then they get a bunch of like 6-12 month lagging indicators further convincing them of the worse. Right when they become most certain the technology is useless is precisely when the people that have adopted it and truly understand it leave them in…

Certainly this is the impression true believers have had for at least a year. Nobody seems to have been left in the dust yet though. How odd.

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Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

#65

I'm confused by the situation. I'm the last manual coder of my company, and am shipping projects faster than my colleagues who are spending fortunes in tokens. I was intrigued by the hype and gave a chance this week to codex+sol 5.6 and cc+opus 5. They cheated, lied, disobeyed, and shipped subtle bugs so often, it wasted more time that if I did it myself. Is half of the industry under AI psychosis right now ? Will mo…

> Is half of the industry under AI psychosis right now ?

A bad coder sees bot code as an inprovement. A good coder sees bot code as deterioration.

They are both correct.

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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post #39

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It's the same with any tool. You can buy the most expensive drill but if its used by an inexperienced worker, the only result will be more wrong drilled holes.

Charitably, we could say that “agentic” software engineering is less than 4 years old. I say charitably because I think even that’s an extraordinary stretch. But even at 4 years, I don’t think anybody can fairly claim to be experienced in it in a way that’s going to be stable and fungible for, say, the next 30 years. (My experience has been the polar opposite: the people I know who are the most “AI pilled” are also t…

True, but thats explains why the gap is so huge at the moment. There are some experienced (in coding) devs with a talent in using agent, inexperienced devs with talent, experienced devs without talent and inexperienced devs without talent. And I don't mean talent in a judgmental sense; it's perfectly normal for people to have different aptitudes, and we simply weren't prepared for using computers in a natural language.

The fact that there are currently hardly any established methods, and that the combination of all the LLMs, harnesses, MCP servers, etc., results in extremely different experiences, and that nobody really has a comprehensive overview, only exacerbates the situation.

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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Sure they have. Massive layoffs throughout the industry.

Layoffs were mainly due to overhiring during covid and outsourcing to cheaper countries tho.

Oh you sweet summer child

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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post #52

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Sure they have. Massive layoffs throughout the industry.

That wasn't necessarily caused by AI, in fact quite a lot of the layoffs came well before AI was useful. Most of the layoffs happened because companies over-hired during covid, and a lot of other economic issues causing people to spend less money, which causes top-heavy companies to lay off employees they hired when people had more money to spend.

The robot overlords will put the last free man in a pod in 2080 and you guys will still be calling it Covid hiring correction huh

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

#69
post #46

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My experience is the same. That is why I write technical specifications for the LLM to follow, and treat the actual code they generate in the same way I treat the assembly produced by a compiler: a black box I rarely peek into. If the code passes the (extensive) tests, I don't need to read or understand it. That said, I retired before LLMs became popular, so my experience is limited to vibe coding at home.

We (at least some of us) sort of figured out 30ish years ago that waterfall-style software development doesn’t quite work in practice. I don’t think LLMs have substantially changed that.

Did I mention waterfall at all? You are fighting a strawman.

You can write specs for a MVP, write a test plan, yadda yadda, then progressively iterate. I have no idea where you got the idea that I was proposing a waterfall lifecycle.

Re: The growing divide between AI hype and software engineering reality

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same with any tool. You can buy the most expensive drill but if its used by an inexperienced worker, the only result will be more wrong drilled holes.

Charitably, we could say that “agentic” software engineering is less than 4 years old. I say charitably because I think even that’s an extraordinary stretch. But even at 4 years, I don’t think anybody can fairly claim to be experienced in it in a way that’s going to be stable and fungible for, say, the next 30 years. (My experience has been the polar opposite: the people I know who are the most “AI pilled” are also t…

In my feeling, it is decades old. With LLMs and agentic coding, it's deja vu of some 200x working with with inexperienced offshore teams. The same misunderstanding problems, the same corners cut, the same attempts to present bullshit as a "production ready", and the same "Yes, Sir, you are absolutely right" answer to criticue.
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