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GLM-5.3 is now open-weight

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Post by spider-mario »

victords wrote: post #151
frigidwalnut wrote: post #113

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Cool! I'm thinking about a local set up. What's your usual tokens/second rate?

Not OP, but I’m running local models on a M1 Max as well with 64GB RAM. It varies by model, but I’m getting 50-60 t/s with Qwen 3.6 35B and Qwen 3 coder 30B. I’ve also used Qwen 3.8 27B but I get 10t/s on it. It’s useable in some use cases, but I rely mostly on my $20 Claude subscription.

Try 3.8 27B in MTPLX; I get about 30 tok/s with the same hardware as you. (Although it does use around 90-95W of power, compared to the ~60W that 3.6 35B-A3B uses to generate 55 tok/s. That’s about 3 J/tok instead of 1.)

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Post by spider-mario »

andriy_koval wrote: post #267
stymaar wrote: post #233

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Until there's an executive order that blocks one model from being served.

such order can target any provider (including closed models) as we know.

Right, but not a model you have already downloaded onto your machine.

Re: GLM-5.3 is now open-weight

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Post by andriy_koval »

spider-mario wrote: post #272
andriy_koval wrote: post #267

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such order can target any provider (including closed models) as we know.

Right, but not a model you have already downloaded onto your machine.

the same you can access oversea model providers.

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Post by millicentricism »

somenameforme wrote: post #260
millicentricism wrote: post #246

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With roughly 2.7 million seconds per month, times 14 tokens per second, you are getting 38.5 million tokens a month at most. That’s less than 164USD worth of GLM5.3 tokens on the inference market. So that 6000 USD rig will take 3 years to break even - and only if it runs continuously. And this is being generous, as it’s not even taking quantisation into account.

I think if you steel-man what I'm saying, what you're saying falls apart. 14 tokens per second was rare. It only dropped that low in one scenario where he had it single shot an entire game (flappy bird clone) from scratch, with different assets, all self created, and so on. It ended up resulting in the LLM doing stuff like plotting out a some odd 100 item long to-do list, requerying it repeatedly, and so on. And it s…

I agree it’s probably not representative token speed. But I do believe the overall observation holds: The monetary value of local inference is bound by the wall clock.

I agree that there are many other reasons than cost alone.

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Post by mtrovo »

lukan wrote: post #247
pyrophane wrote: post #195

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> We're nowhere near a Fable-class model IMO, but things are going to get interesting in this next year. I'm wondering of you could clarify your thoughts on this. I've had a hard time evaluating what Fable-class actually is capable of that sets them (or really it) apart from other models in a very significant way.

Have you tried it out? I doubt there is a general accepted definition. For me it is just more capable of deep reasoning/handling complexity. Still can mess up, still does not count as strong AI - but a level above Opus and co.

Could you give me an example of a similar task you asked Fable and a different model to do where Fable did a better job?

I have a hard time getting models like GLM 5.3 to not perform on my tasks but I might be biased.

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Post by SwellJoe »

inigyou wrote: post #265
SwellJoe wrote: post #235

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Seems like it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. And, I wouldn't bet on this legislature ever doing anything that would disempower fossil energy or reduce their profits, even a little bit.

There are good reasons you aren't allowed to plug random power generators into the grid. You might be allowed to have your own ones not connected to the grid. Remember that graphics cards run off poorly regulated 12V, although you'd want to regulate it anyway because they're expensive to replace if I'm wrong.

Nobody mentioned plugging into the grid.

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Post by inigyou »

SwellJoe wrote: post #276
inigyou wrote: post #265

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There are good reasons you aren't allowed to plug random power generators into the grid. You might be allowed to have your own ones not connected to the grid. Remember that graphics cards run off poorly regulated 12V, although you'd want to regulate it anyway because they're expensive to replace if I'm wrong.

Nobody mentioned plugging into the grid.

Balcony solar by definition plugs into the grid. It's not just "solar panels that happen to be on a balcony", it's a certain type of self-contained unit that plugs into a regular power outlet.

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Post by jmalicki »

close04 wrote: post #268
millicentricism wrote: post #246

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With roughly 2.7 million seconds per month, times 14 tokens per second, you are getting 38.5 million tokens a month at most. That’s less than 164USD worth of GLM5.3 tokens on the inference market. So that 6000 USD rig will take 3 years to break even - and only if it runs continuously. And this is being generous, as it’s not even taking quantisation into account.

I think the “killer app” is doing inference without sending the data to China or the US. At home it’s overkill but imagine you are an EU consultancy with a lot of client data to work on, or a company/institution with a lot of sensitive data, buying the hardware to make sure the data stays private is a huge benefit. So is that you “own” the model. Its capabilities, price or access don’t change at someone else’s whim.

Some of that is that EU providers need to up their game here.

Needing an EU native option is really the one and only reasonably objection I've heard against using LLMs from the cloud, the rest is tin-foil hat level unless you're actually intending to meddle with the inference or fine tuning or something beyond just querying.

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Post by stymaar »

mirekrusin wrote: post #238
stymaar wrote: post #153

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Have you already forgotten the Fable drama that happened just two months ago?

Yes, I remember recurring extensions on plan inclusion then becoming permanent - that's my point.

Looks like you've geniunely forgotten then: https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access

Re: GLM-5.3 is now open-weight

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Post by mosselman »

inigyou wrote: post #264
SwellJoe wrote: post #160

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I have a Strix Halo and dual 32GB GPUs in my desktop, that sit idle right now, because the electricity to run them and to cool them in 110F weather Texas is currently experiencing pretty much nulls any savings I might see over getting better models from cloud providers. While I mostly use Claude or Codex with subscriptions for agentic work, for API use DeepSeek has usually been my go to, but now I guess it's GLM 5.3…

Solar panels are produced for less than $1 per watt btw. Shame they're illegal in Texas because they compete with the governing oil industry.

Why are they illegal? What is your source?

Homeowners can’t put solar panels on their roof to use the produced electricity?

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