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Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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WiSaGaN wrote: post #267
cornholio wrote: post #167

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It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

It's one of the things you need to do if you want your company to later become the only company in the world. They also promised that they would treat you nicely afterwards after they get what they want.

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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by satvikpendem »

stefan_ wrote: post #464
RetpolineDrama wrote: post #445

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>The way I review it is to let it finish a PR sized slice and then I review the whole diff in a separate terminal as if it’s a PR from someone else. Insanely inefficient. It's 10x more productive to watch the thinking traces and edits in real time and steer the model appropriately. If your workflow is typical no wonder my team members who use claude code are so much less productive.

I don't think this is something anyone who has ever read a "thinking trace" would unironically say. Not that you can even see them in Claude. When thinking first started and you would still see the whole "thinking process", I thought it was a ploy to 10x token use because it was just the most inane bullshit. "But wait, the user is asking me to" in loops.

You can see thinking summary transcripts in Claude Code and Desktop, and they are actually useful because they don't have those sort of thinking loops from the raw tokens.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by satvikpendem »

minhaz23 wrote: post #469
ddxv wrote: post #419

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I love VSCode built in LLM harness. No extensions, use any model you want, amazing UX for reviews, control of agents. The sandboxing also seems great, I never see models touching anything they shouldn't.

Is this the chat on the side or the agents feature?

Both are great, and analogous to Cursor which has both features too.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by satvikpendem »

jackjeff wrote: post #300
aws_ls wrote: post #289

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I code using Codex or sometimes ClaudeCode. I use Zed to review the code. CLI is great for most things. Some times, when I am reviewing a PR, I just tell Codex to do a diff between source and target branches in PR, and generate a HTML report. Then I read that, and also review relevant pieces of code in Zed. I tried using Cursor, many of my colleagues use it, but stopped using it due to clunkiness. And of late, even i…

Thanks your your feedback. I just retried Zed and yeah, it's much much better than last time I gave it a shot!!! I turned on the review stuff, and yeah I can do more or less what I could in Cursor. Check something. Do a quick inline promtp for the three lines I dislike and move on. And of course the editor is so much nimbler/nicer. No plan mode, but for big edits I'd probably use codex or something just like you. If…

Cursor's Grok models are a powerhouse without much of a performance hit.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by satvikpendem »

jtwaleson wrote: post #284
kian wrote: post #217

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what do you mean by 'full system understanding', here? And don't you think that claude and openai are using their own forge as well?

Ingesting the whole codebase in their cloud and then maintaining indexes of where everything lives and what already exists. Not sure if that's where they are going but that's what I feel looking at some of the beta functionality and announcements. For the forges, what the sibling said.

They don't index code bases anymore.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by Dylan16807 »

DANmode wrote: post #383
Dylan16807 wrote: post #114

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> Edit: great answer. What do you mean by that? If you're being sassy about a downvote then I'll remind you that when you reply to a comment, that person can't downvote your reply. Also this is an account with barely any comments or points, I'm pretty sure they can't downvote at all.

I’ll remind the reader if they downvote without mentioning why, there’s no opinion really being conveyed. Just a stub of a conversation. I don’t care about the points. Just the chat, which seems finished.

Sure, no opinion really being conveyed.

But it didn't come from the person you were talking to, so editing on a sarcastic "great answer" doesn't really work.

The person you were talking to just hadn't responded within the first hour. They still might.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by paxys »

jimnotgym wrote: post #282

Can I suppose that Cursor, by seeing everyones prompts and all of the responses from the models, are in a position to sort of MITM distill them?

Musk was forced to admit under oath during his OpenAI lawsuit that xAI distilled GPT models to train Grok. No reason to believe he won't use Cursor data for the same thing, if it isn't happening already.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by paxys »

twobitshifter wrote: post #420

In a sane world would this be a potential antitrust case as they are a direct competitor to Codex? How can you ban a competitor from using a model that you openly provide access to? I understand that the OpenAI ToS may have been violated by X, but has anyone ruled on distillation as fair use? OpenAI believes distillation of nonAI produced content is fair use, so they don’t appear to have a leg to stand on.

"You are not allowed to use our services to develop a competing product" is a standard clause in pretty much every contract of this nature. There's nothing antitrust about it. Companies are allowed to say no to bad deals.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by lotsofpulp »

germandiago wrote: post #451
slfnflctd wrote: post #326

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> It is just a matter of time. The state, as we know it, will collapse or will be greatly reduced Doubt. The networking between people in power at the top will, in my opinion, most likely assure that they remain in power, because at the end of the day that is what they want most. I expect government will seize control of the most advanced models (if they haven't already), and the rest of us will be throttled, and sta…

There will be a moment where the government will depend so much on the tech that if the tech cuts the supply, they are f... Who do you think will rule at that point? They just cannot fight that, they do not have the technology these companies have.

In that situation, it depends how much physical force the government has to compel the tech leader, and how much physical force the tech leader has to counter it.

Usually, the number of bodies who will comply is the proxy for power, but with automation, it could be different in the near future.

https://xkcd.com/538/

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by NegativeLatency »

addandsubtract wrote: post #335
jackjeff wrote: post #194

Is there some kind of alternative to Cursor in these terms - fast because the code is already indexed no need to start every prompt rediscovering the world with rg - in editor/vscode review much better than relying on git diff at the very end. You can click on next button to jump there. Quick edit in place. Or a quick prompt (seconds) to fix something small - in editor completion / quick edits, when you do things by…

What's wrong with using VSCode with your model / API key of choice?

Price?
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