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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by scott_w »

mstaoru wrote: post #134

I don't quite understand GDPR though as it theoretically let's me remove my personal data from benign websites, but doesn't let me remove my data where I would really want it removed, e.g. (my personal nemesis) SCHUFA, CRIF, Boniversum - which are all private companies. SCHUFA is especially bad. They gather some strange data, and then "based on statistical analysis" give you a rating that is completely disconnected f…

While you might hate them, you don’t want your data to be removed from their systems. If you’re having a hard time accessing credit with them, imagine what happens when you try to access credit as a ghost.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by throw8484949ii »

9dev wrote: post #138
throw8484949ii wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don’t need a dedicated data protection officer, because your company is too small for that. But I do need dedicated comliance officer! The lower thresholds applies from 250 employees. I still have the same obligations as larger companies! And if do notmp comoly goverment will fine me to oblivion! > So unpaid doesn’t really match the reality here, right? It absolutely matches the reality. You expect me to do stu…

> But I do need dedicated comliance officer! There is no compliance officer required by law, at least not in any regulation introduced by the EU. > The lower thresholds applies from 250 employees. I still have the same obligations as larger companies! If you have more than 250 employees, you really should have both a higher salary than a garbage man and be able to afford someone to take care of your compliance duties…

> I don't expect anything. You run a business.

> And besides, if you’re unable to accept that you have a social responsibility when you run a business, I don’t know what to tell you?

You were very clear as a business owner i have tons of extra responsibilities. I should go extra mile to "demonstrate". I am single guy, with a few houndred euro a month (lower salary than garbage man), and I have the same obligations as company of 249 people!

> There is no compliance officer required by law

> and be ready to demonstrate that when

> they absolutely value if you’ve tried your best as opposed to not caring at all;

Again, most companies hire an office to "demonstrate best efford" and to offload personal responsibility from company owner. This still applies to one person business!

> The EU is responsible for so many things you just take for granted: A single market larger than the USA with a single currency; hundreds of EU-funded programs for small businesses with grants available easily; common standards across the entire union; protection from foreign traders; cross-border regulation and mobility; even things like funding for public infrastructure, art, and education all around you that you don't know of

Are you even in EU my friend? I was unable to sell into germany becauee of some local BS. Every country has their own taxes, localization and regulations, there is no single market! EU has several currencies! EU does not protect from foreign traders, it pushes contaminated chicken from outside EU that contains salmonela!

Public infrastructure, education and art is responsibility of national goverment, EU sponsors maybe 2% of that!

> just as anything I do in regard to compliance or data protection is of course billed working time

Here is the core problem! You are not eshop owner! You are consultant who directly benefits from more regulations!!!

Of course you will push for more regulations and more "social responsibility"!

Luckily normal people can replace consultants with AI!

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by throw8484949ii »

scott_w wrote: post #140
throw8484949ii wrote: post #137

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> the major players all integrate into standard tools, and they keep their compliance up to date, I am not major player! I do not have dedicated team of people to keep "compliance up to date". > if you’re informed they changed Yet more extra work! > see you try to be compliant first Sounds like work for extra GDPR officer! I do not have that kind of money!

By “major player” I meant the analytics companies that you pay, not you. > Yet more extra work! If “customer asks me to update my records on them, so I do it,” is too much work then you really shouldn’t be in the business that requires it. > Sounds like work for extra GDPR officer! Or you just ask “what do I need to do?” The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.” Seriously, all your answers here tell me…

just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs! (But drug dealer would probably get better deal from police for breaking GDPR). I am worried about several thousands euro fines!

I have my own eshop, i do not use "major player"! Too expensive.

> Or you just ask “what do I need to do?” The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.”

And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Their advice have same weight as weather forecast!

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by Timon3 »

veeti wrote: post #129
bko wrote: post #114

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So why is it good if it does nothing? This is where you should apply eng principles. If something adds complexity without solving a problem, start by removing the complexity rather than tweaking

It did nothing for ad tech crap yet, but it gives you many easily exercised rights to access and erase your data. An American company "OpenAI" has released a very useful human-EU bureaucrat-translation tool for drafting such requests.

I'd argue that it actually did one good thing regarding ad tech: I've seen many people - who generally aren't interested in privacy, or politics in general - being very surprised by the number of companies their data is being sold to.

For someone who isn't aware of the scale, seeing "we sell your data to >1000 companies" can be enough to build interest in advocating for privacy laws.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by jason_oster »

latexr wrote: post #105
blfr wrote: post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

> Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. No one is surprised that anyone is annoyed by the banners. But it doesn’t make sense to be annoyed at the law¹ instead of the perpetrators. If someone is deliberately putting pebbles in your shoes you should get annoyed at the p…

Stop making sense! This is HN, for crying out loud.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by foldr »

jampekka wrote: post #104
foldr wrote: post #85

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I take your point. It would be nice to have a header that effectively just automatically canceled all the consent pop ups for you. But there are still some issues. 1) You'd have to find a way of writing the regulations without baking in particular technical assumptions about the web. The current GDPR talks about general principles of consent and data processing, not the specifics of cookies, headers, etc. 2) People c…

1) is not a problem. This is actually already defined technology neutrally in GDPR: "the data subject may exercise his or her right to object by automated means using technical specifications". For specific implementations the law can defer to e.g. standards, as is also very common in legislation. In general defining laws technology neutrally is bread and butter of legislation, there are just a lot of misconceptions…

Yes, you can make a non-intrusive UI for that. Indeed, website creators can do that right now, with existing technology and compliant with the GDPR as-is.

The question is how do you prevent the annoying UX without making overly technology-specific rules. Just adding a do-not-track header does not stop websites from ignoring the header and showing a pop up to ask you if you want to override your default settings.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by torlok »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #128
latexr wrote: post #110

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> But in execution it’s that meme: (…) If you agree with that meme, you’ve fallen for the manipulative narrative of lobbyists¹. Bottle caps are a massive problem (as is plastic in general) on the environment (you know, the thing we all live in) and the regulation is already having an impact. There will be more regulating the uses of plastic. If you don’t know why the bottle caps are so problematic, you live a privile…

I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times... nobody's tricking me into not liking it. Yes: I have the privilege of living in a developed 21st century world where I don't need to deal with stuff like this. Proud of it. I'm well past being told to eat my vegetables because children in Africa are starving. The solution is to expand the pie for everybody, not to throw our arms up and return to living in caves in…

Nobody's forcing you to buy products in plastic bottles. It would actually be better if you didn't. "Technology and progress" are so far producing mountains of trash and pollution that you're privileged to not have to see, unlike those children in Africa, and other impoverished places where your garbage washes up. You're proud of winning the lottery. Have some self-awareness.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by M95D »

apexalpha wrote: post #117
haizhung wrote: post #106

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Does the slowly landing rocket in any way improve live for ordinary people?

Yeah: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink Billions of people are getting access to information through it.

Good for them! We, europeans, already have fiber everywhere and unlimited 5G mobile internet for 2 euro/month.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by summermusic »

bsian wrote: post #96

"You know x is good based on who hates it" is too generic an argument to be useful. It applies to so many things.

It’s more specific than that: “You know x is good based on if the worst people hate it” which I agree with the author is an extremely useful argument.
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