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Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by thrance »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #159
thrance wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't fix capitalism from the inside...

And how would you fix it from the outside? Besides, it's only capitalism of you take on investors. You can charge money to solve a problem without summoning the demon.

> You can charge money to solve a problem without summoning the demon.

Then someone willing to "summon the demon" will outgrow you and you'll end up working for them.

You can't fix capitalism period. The issue was never a lack of "good guys" building "meaningful things". The economic pressures always push out the naive in favor of the ruthless. And wealth gets concentrated in fewer and fewer hands until a class of oligarchs emerges that is powerful and psychopathic enough to take over the government and dismantle democracy for personal gains.

Happened in Germany, happening in America right now.

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by xvokcarts »

leonixyz wrote: post #68

Being far-left is now officially terrorism. Now they will start move the bar one step at a time, one organization at a time, to cut off every political movement that does not align.

That's exactly what's happening with the far-right and nazism labeling (in the EU the nazi label is worse compared to terrorist, also legally).

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by tim333 »

queenkjuul wrote: post #169
tim333 wrote: post #152

The article seems misleading implying it's due to the ""collective’s “far-left” politics"" which seem odd as far left isn't illegal. If you look at the govt announcement it cites: >multiple high-profile instances of breaking into defense infrastructure and British military installations, and causing millions of dollars’ worth of damage to military equipment. Palestine Action has promoted its violent, criminal, and te…

Lmao the Italian blogging platform has nothing to do with Palestine Action, did you even read the article? Or do you even pay attention? "Far left" has been illegal in the past and trump clearly wants it so again

Yes. The Palestine Action bit is in the government complaint not the article. My point was the article glosses over or doesn't mention the actual reasons the government cites. (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616 discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343)

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by Timon3 »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #180
Timon3 wrote: post #161

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IMO this comment perfectly exemplifies the process that advances society's slide towards fascism: > Just like being far-right was. This is simply not true. Just like so many lies repeated ad nauseam by the right-wing media machine, it has convinced a huge part of the US population that the opposition genuinely wants to hurt and destroy them, so now they have no problem with doing the same to them. A terrifyingly huge…

Nitpicking here, but nazi repression was not only against jewish people. Also against other claimed inferior races (eg. tsigans), but also handicapped people, homosexuals... and very relevant to this thread, communists and anarchists.

Yeah, good point. I only mentioned Jewish people because that's where I've seen the strong similarities between the propaganda then and now, but I'm sure there's also plenty of examples for the other groups that were targeted.

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by inigyou »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #91
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #73

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It's always curious to me how property damage weighs the same or worse than violence against real humans. I've had people tell me with a straight face that broken windows make one group just as bad as the group threatening violence based on ethnic lines. I don't get it.

If someone were to come to my workplace and smash a window, for example, I think it's pretty fair to interpret that as a threat that they might smash the people working there next.

do you think someone who sprays paint in a military jet engine is about to force open your mouth and spray you full of paint?

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by inigyou »

woodpanel wrote: post #29
woodpanel wrote: post #21

here's the official state department's statement: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

According to that, they provided services to the guys that cut off parts of Berlin from the power grid, that caused 1 fatality. IANAL but the common understanding of the situation would be: You can't as an ISP prevent malicious actors from using your service, but you do can assist the government - in this case the German - to hand over the data to help assist law enforcement. If state-department's claims are true, di…

The US is the one making the accusation, and I guarantee that they didn't assist the US.

The digital markets act makes liability pretty clear. Basically a takedown notice law.

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by inigyou »

lynndotpy wrote: post #39
mindslight wrote: post #30

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"ZOG" claims way too much, is inactionable, and ultimately just feeds the reactionary dumpster fire that has created our current predicament. "Please don't release the real Epstein files Mr Bibi Sir" suffices.

Right? It's really concerning how much traction "ZOG" seems to be getting. It's literally true that most of the US government is Zionist. But "Zionist-Occupied Government" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory used by white supremacists with specific and incorrect beliefs about how Zionism works in the US and how it formed into what we're all facing today. At least flat-earthers get a useful locally-true approximation…

Is "ZOG" not a locally-true approximation of the shape of the USG?

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by inigyou »

mschuster91 wrote: post #47
SimianSci wrote: post #41

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> Because it's a ridiculous antisemitic conspiracy myth. This perceived overlap of antisemitism and anti-zionism has been shown many times to be a false equivalence. It does nobody any good to conflate Zionism which is a very real fascist Israeli supremacy movement, with Semitism which refers to Jewishness regardless of culture or country. As with many Fascist movements it is very much in the interest of those who fo…

> It does nobody any good to conflate Zionism which is a very real fascist Israeli supremacy movement, with Semitism which refers to Jewishness regardless of culture or country. No. Zionism at its core is just the opinion that there needs to be a state of Israel, to serve as a "last safe haven" for all Jews in the world.

And what is "a state of Israel"? Obviously it needs to meet some criteria to count as a state of Israel. If I bought a farm and called it Israel it wouldn't meet the criteria.

Some of those criteria are that it must include Jerusalem, and it must be a Jewish ethnostate.

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by inigyou »

tim333 wrote: post #183
queenkjuul wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao the Italian blogging platform has nothing to do with Palestine Action, did you even read the article? Or do you even pay attention? "Far left" has been illegal in the past and trump clearly wants it so again

Yes. The Palestine Action bit is in the government complaint not the article. My point was the article glosses over or doesn't mention the actual reasons the government cites. ( https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616 discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343 )

Why should it cite them? They're just excuses.

Re: US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

thrance wrote: post #181
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how would you fix it from the outside? Besides, it's only capitalism of you take on investors. You can charge money to solve a problem without summoning the demon.

> You can charge money to solve a problem without summoning the demon. Then someone willing to "summon the demon" will outgrow you and you'll end up working for them. You can't fix capitalism period. The issue was never a lack of "good guys" building "meaningful things". The economic pressures always push out the naive in favor of the ruthless. And wealth gets concentrated in fewer and fewer hands until a class of ol…

Really, no way out? We'll be practicing capitalism until we go extinct?
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