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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by Timon3 »

phtrivier wrote: post #302
germandiago wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pretty sure that the goal of these companies at the end is ruling more than what governments can. Just look at the pattern... they collude, they provide to them whatever is needed, and at some point, if this is not true yet, they will be the ones who will tell them what to do or not, bc you know how humans are, right... blackmailing, mess up the business or shames of people, etc. It is just a matter of time. The…

"Monopoly on the lawfully usage of force" + "regular and peaceful change of government" can go a very long way against "corporations governing the world". I'm curious if we'll ever get a form of civil war where corporate militias (corporate _robot_ militias in the case of xAI, of course) draw fire on good old meat policemen coming to bring the CEO to court. Sure, it may happen, but I suspect the alternatives (bribing…

> "regular and peaceful change of government"

This has already been broken, and they've become so much more bold since then.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by foxglacier »

trollbridge wrote: post #336
DonsDiscountGas wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then surely a model distilling another model is transformative and fair use. Yes it is, in the legal/copyright sense of fair use. That's why they ban it in their TOS. Which customers agree to when signing up for the service.

My website’s TOS says not to use it to train AI without permission, yet my website is in the training set of all the big models. So… my TOS doesn’t matter, but theirs does?

Yes - yours is just some optional text nobody reads or understands and is probably not legally required to adhere to. Theirs is a contract signed by their customer who they know did understand it.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by wlonkly »

trollbridge wrote: post #336
DonsDiscountGas wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then surely a model distilling another model is transformative and fair use. Yes it is, in the legal/copyright sense of fair use. That's why they ban it in their TOS. Which customers agree to when signing up for the service.

My website’s TOS says not to use it to train AI without permission, yet my website is in the training set of all the big models. So… my TOS doesn’t matter, but theirs does?

L1 contracts class: offer, acceptance, and consideration.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cornholio wrote: post #167
rgbrenner wrote: post #32

Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

You call it ironic, rest are calling natural progress in business and law.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by angusturner »

GMoromisato wrote: post #102

Everyone is playing hardball. No one wants to be IBM in an IBM-Microsoft dance. But this is kind of like banning GPU exports to China. It will encourage them to develop their own technology. Yes, it will take them longer, but in the long-run China will be more successful with their own GPU tech. The same could be true of SpaceX/xAI

What unique differentiator could musk possibly offer though?

Is there really a high demand for racist chatbots with no safety controls?

And even if there is, will governments even allow it to keep operating?

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by dominotw »

cornholio wrote: post #167
rgbrenner wrote: post #32

Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

i feel like there need to be some sort of closure here because every discussion devolves into this chain of comments

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by bric-a-brac »

jackjeff wrote: post #194

Is there some kind of alternative to Cursor in these terms - fast because the code is already indexed no need to start every prompt rediscovering the world with rg - in editor/vscode review much better than relying on git diff at the very end. You can click on next button to jump there. Quick edit in place. Or a quick prompt (seconds) to fix something small - in editor completion / quick edits, when you do things by…

Also: the ability to draft a plan and monitor its execution, review it, and merge it from a cell phone. I know Claude remote is a thing, but it’s not the same.

This is a big quality of life thing. Sure, I should just go on a walk without having an agent going, but oftentimes it’s not intruding on it - it’s the thing that actually ENABLES it.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by foxglacier »

ben_w wrote: post #262
dannyw wrote: post #186

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Companies are well within their rights to choose who they sell to. I don't see how this is 'privately enforced copyright'. Also, copyright has always been privately enforced anyway?

On the one hand, yes; on the other hand, so much of the training data comes from scraping the web that it feels wrong for them to do what they deny others the right to do. On the third hand, the settlement Anthropic famously had to pay was for copyright infringement because they didn't actually have the right to even access some of the training data they used, so I can see how this might be compatible with the law. O…

Companies that didn't give away all their content for free to anyone have actually denied AI companies from training on all their data without paying a fee. Reddit, Associated Press, etc.

For those who chose to give it all away, the ship has sailed, but they did choose to give it away for free to anyone so they can't complain that they succeeded.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by dominotw »

ben_w wrote: post #315
jurgenburgen wrote: post #280

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> I'm substituting my own[0] vibe coding for buying[1] apps. Language mini-games to help with German? A few prompts. Fluid dynamics simulation for an airzooker? Vibed. A web app listening for a MIDI keyboard, upon which you can drop some .midi files, and get a rhythm action game to learn the piano? Vibed. Webcam for my Raspberry Pi? Vibed. Getting Marathon 2 (well, the open sourced and upgraded engine, Aleph One) wor…

> When do you have time for all of this? I don’t mean the vibing part but the using the app part. Mix of this being spread over more than a year, that I'm not doomscrolling because HackerNews and Telegram are my main social media presences, and being unemployed/prematurely retired (which one depends on what one thinks of €1k/month passive income and no rent).

Thats amazing. Family and kids path is getting less and less attractive everday. hobbies > family.
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