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Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by lenkite »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #396
LordDragonfang wrote: post #391

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Considering the number of users, even official government departments, it still has, you would have to be very myopic and have very few interests for this to be true. The fact you're posting on Hacker News at all invalidates it; a huge portion of the type of people who hit the front page here are on Twitter.

> a huge portion of the type of people who hit the front page here are on Twitter. Yes, but I can ignore them. I ignore Nazis because people get really upset these days if you punch them.

The overwhelming majority of folks on twitter (>99.9999999%) are non-nazis. Oh, I don't use Twitter myself but that's because its also overwhelmingly social media spam on steroids.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

the_bear wrote: post #61

In Google's defense, they weren't the ones that championed the "everything must be an app" movement. My memory of the 2010s is that Google (and while they were relevant, Palm) pushed cross-platform web apps, but Apple ran a successful marketing campaign to convince everyone that everything on mobile must be a native app for reasons[1]. So we end up with a walled garden of native apps that must be approved by and pay…

Google Earth is a fantastic computer program (which is being retired June 2027; stupid IMHO); Alphabet, Inc., wants you to instead "use the in-browser version of earth.google.com for a better experience."

When I attempt to load earth.google.com it is total dogshit, just a terrible all-around experience (with glitches and an additional layer of obfuscation between map and browsing: a 3rd-party web browser).

My RTX5070Ti renders everything so beautifully within the Google Earth program – smooth and fully-3D everything.

The only reasoning I can muster is that it's harder to embed advertisements/tracking within the program (compared to the website interface); but when I cannot use the application anymore, I will no longer use Google Earth (entirely) – which is unfortunate because it is a fantastic resource (I have a computer dedicated almost-entirely to Google Earth tasks; it is the only machine in my office that can contact Google servers).

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

lenkite wrote: post #461
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #396

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> a huge portion of the type of people who hit the front page here are on Twitter. Yes, but I can ignore them. I ignore Nazis because people get really upset these days if you punch them.

The overwhelming majority of folks on twitter (>99.9999999%) are non-nazis. Oh, I don't use Twitter myself but that's because its also overwhelmingly social media spam on steroids.

If someone sits down for dinner with ten Nazis there are 11 nazis at the table.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by barrell »

Zak wrote: post #288
barrell wrote: post #171

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Idk Google Maps is pretty bad. Clicking on the search bar force opens the App Store, and trying to load photos does the same and straight up lies to you saying it’s only available in the app. But if you scroll down to the second carousel of images it loads fine in web.

Google Maps has a better excuse for wanting to be an app than most since a primary use case on mobile is turn-by-turn navigation. That's possible to do in a web page now, but several features that improve the experience are not available in browsers.

I’m not sure how that’s a justification. If you want to app-wall the turn by turn directions, that would be one thing. The fact that turn-by-turn directions is better on mobile doesn’t rationalize lying about being unable to show photos, and auto opening the App Store three times every time you want to search for an address somewhere

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by reaperducer »

goosejuice wrote: post #445
reaperducer wrote: post #442

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Surprisingly, yes. My company requires everyone in the company to meet our customers in person once a year. Everyone from the CEO on down to tech nerd button pushers like myself. Our method of telemetry is called "talking to people."

I'm not sure why you find the snark necessary. I wouldn't find it productive to talk to 200,000 users in person to determine if it's worth building a native app. I suspect most startups talk to some of their customers in person but I don't know anyone making sweeping product decisions based on that.

I wouldn't find it productive to talk to 200,000 users in person

Fortunately, our company has more than one employee, so one person does not need to talk to all 200,000 users.

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Post by inigyou »

mikepurvis wrote: post #416
stackghost wrote: post #328

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Digital solutions don't have to be abusive. Where I live the city commissioned its own mobile app for parking, and all numbered parking spots in the city use that app. There are private lots that use Honk or Robbins or whatever, but the municipal lots and all parallel parking spaces downtown all use the same single app and the revenue goes to the city. The city parking app works reasonably well, no ads, it just does…

That seems reasonable. The kiosk is still there to pay with cards or cash directly, but the app/website lets you skip that, avoid printing a slip, maybe buy a pass or something. The risk is mainly that down the road someone looks at the usage numbers and goes hmm, well the kiosk is only getting used 5% of the time, let's just discontinue supporting it.

The other risk is that they make it cheaper via the app/website, maybe by offering a pass or something. Then that's effectively discrimination against people who don't have a big tech phone.

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Post by duskdozer »

Tanoc wrote: post #421
mikestew wrote: post #361

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I thought I'd be clever and use iOS's "Hide Distracting Items" to get rid of elements like that. But reddit kills the scroll, too, so even after the dickover[0] is gone the page is still non-functional. Nothing says, "we don't want your business" like a non-functional web page, which seems like a bad move unless you're selling food or potable water. 'cuz I get along just fine w/o reddit. [0] https://daringfireball.ne…

I've been trying to figure out for years how to keep specific bits of Javascript like that from triggering. But so many modern webpages are procedurally generated messes born from frameworks that I can't reliably track down a way to do it. On Reddit for example there's reddit.com, redd.it, redditstatic.com, and cdn-apple.com that are all subdomains that load on the page, and each pull Javascript from dozens of differ…

I'm sure there must be something on https://github.com/gorhill/ublock/wiki/Resources-Library but I've still not really been able to make sense/use of these rules much. At this point blocking certain things in js universally seems kind of impossible now that everything is webpack-chunked with random names or hidden in react context that seems inaccessible.

But I think this css rule covers many simple cases

    html[style*="overflow:hidden"], html[style*="overflow: hidden"]
    {
        overflow: auto !important;
    }

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by duskdozer »

dublin wrote: post #278
sroussey wrote: post #132

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Twitter is the worst. You go to a page and scroll down and it banners a beater in the app thing and you can’t dismiss it. You either get the app or close the tab. Close the tab.

The web browser experience in the browser is dramatically superior to that in the app, which doesn't even let you copy and paste media, for instance to text to others. X wants to force you to do that through a link back to them. Nope. Most Apps are just emasculated and spyware-infested WebApps version of the website, anyway. Why not just use the Browser and get the real experience? I do not want you app of crap.

>The web browser experience in the browser is dramatically superior to that in the app, which doesn't even let you copy and paste media, for instance to text to others. X wants to force you to do that through a link back to them. Nope.

An eye-opener like this is the reddit /s/ share links, which I assume come from copying in the app. They're everywhere, and they never open correctly for me unless maybe ironically I open them up in tor to get the actual thread

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by allarm »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #463
lenkite wrote: post #461

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The overwhelming majority of folks on twitter (>99.9999999%) are non-nazis. Oh, I don't use Twitter myself but that's because its also overwhelmingly social media spam on steroids.

If someone sits down for dinner with ten Nazis there are 11 nazis at the table.

I'm pretty sure there are some here on this forum as well. Fell free to log out and never come back.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by GJim »

mrec wrote: post #316
GJim wrote: post #290

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Without wishing to sound trite, what interesting/insightful/amusing people are still on that platform? Ditto local organisations announcing things: are there any respectable originations (such as local government and sports groups) that still wish to be associated with the cesspool Xitter has become?

Aside from the stupid rename, I haven't noticed it become any more of a cesspool than it was before the takeover, and in some ways it's arguably healthier (less echo-chamber-ey, and community notes can be useful). Again, this is purely talking about desktop web and avoiding the algorithmic feed. I think you're taking a very particular partisan US view and projecting it onto the rest of the world.

> I think you're taking a very particular partisan US view

Spare us the US defaultism.

I'm not American.

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