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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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post #217

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The tide is turning though. I was using the old non agent view in cursor every day for about a year when I built my startup with it. Then Claude Code blew it out of the water. But since two month or so I much prefer Codex and Cursor with the agent view. However, what I see cooking at Cursor is way more promising than the others. Things like full system understanding, their own forge, multi-repo support. I'd put them…

what do you mean by 'full system understanding', here? And don't you think that claude and openai are using their own forge as well?

What forges are we talking about here? None of them have Github competitors.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Cursor no longer indexes your codebase.

Oh. Really? I guess that was not such an advantage after all… still cursor fast models are so much faster than what you get in Claude/codex.

Assuming there is an index, agent still needs to write queries against the index to get any information from it - might as well grep!

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

> then surely a model distilling another model is transformative and fair use.

Yes it is, in the legal/copyright sense of fair use. That's why they ban it in their TOS. Which customers agree to when signing up for the service.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Well, they will stop releasing their latest models, and just attempt to eat all software themselves. Otherwise, it will be competitors distilling, and the government getting upset. It's hard for me to see a different future. And, this really sucks. If this thesis is true, I wonder what the final YC batch number might be.

I believe if this was true, we'd already be seeing vibed stuff succeeding everywhere, and pricing out incumbents, but I guess I'm not seeing this? Like at all? Even if they have Astra or whatever completely to themselves, how do they deal with the -product- side? Or sales, or account management? They've been focused on juicing model's coding capabilities, but it's absolutely -not- "gen ai" enough to be doing the whol…

> I believe if this was true, we'd already be seeing vibed stuff succeeding everywhere, and pricing out incumbents, but I guess I'm not seeing this? Like at all?

I'm substituting my own[0] vibe coding for buying[1] apps. Language mini-games to help with German? A few prompts. Fluid dynamics simulation for an airzooker? Vibed. A web app listening for a MIDI keyboard, upon which you can drop some .midi files, and get a rhythm action game to learn the piano? Vibed. Webcam for my Raspberry Pi? Vibed. Getting Marathon 2 (well, the open sourced and upgraded engine, Aleph One) working as a web app? Vibed. Isochrone maps? Vibed.

Half of this I can even get done with the free models.

> without reverse centauring ourselves with cameras and mics and oodles of compute everywhere, and so far that hasn't exactly been playing out the way the frontier labs and the singularity folk hoped it would (meta glasses? humane? really?)

Yeah, so fortunate that cameras are expensive and there aren't 6 on my table right now between laptops and phones. :P

Seriously though, what's saving humanity collectively from everything getting automated from the panopticon we'd already built before Transformer models got good enough for even the most basic of classification and translation tasks, let alone anything we now use them for, is that machine learning takes an obscene number of examples before getting competent. Any living creature that needed so many examples would starve to death before learning how to eat.

This difficulty is why, for all the billions of miles that Tesla cars have collectively driven, perhaps pushing trillions now, they're still not sold to the public without steering wheels. Tesla claim to make such vehicles now in the form of the Cybercab, but they're not for sale, and even then some of the pictures that get in the press still show steering wheels.

[0] if you can call anything vibe-coded "my own"

[1] or worse, given the popularity of subscription models in this era, leasing some SaaS

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

Prompt injections hidden into rare books, swallowed by the AI machine.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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post #198

Is there some kind of alternative to Cursor in these terms - fast because the code is already indexed no need to start every prompt rediscovering the world with rg - in editor/vscode review much better than relying on git diff at the very end. You can click on next button to jump there. Quick edit in place. Or a quick prompt (seconds) to fix something small - in editor completion / quick edits, when you do things by…

Check out JetBrains Air

It is so buggy every time I try to use it, even with Jetbrains AI it bugs out. I want to love it though.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using. If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does"…

> then surely a model distilling another model is transformative and fair use. Yes it is, in the legal/copyright sense of fair use. That's why they ban it in their TOS. Which customers agree to when signing up for the service.

How long until books come with TOS, then?

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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post #260

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Isn't Cursor owned by xAI ergo Grok?

Exactly. Without Claude and GPT, we'd be limited to Grok. A lot of ink has been spilled telling us exactly how to use Sonnet, Opus, Sol or Luna in certain scenarios, Grok hasn't ever been recommended by our pointy haired friends even once.

Well isn't that going to be an interesting test of corporate ideology ;-)

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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post #203

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Seems you're looking for an editor with agent, not just a agent, so something like Zed?

I do like Zed as an editor and I keep trying it out but the the review what the AI did by jumping directly into the file with accept/reject/go next/next file with the ability to edit in place was nowhere near as good in zed vs cursor last I checked.

They improve super fast though, releasing a new version every week. If you have specific improvements in mind open an issue on their github.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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post #274

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I believe if this was true, we'd already be seeing vibed stuff succeeding everywhere, and pricing out incumbents, but I guess I'm not seeing this? Like at all? Even if they have Astra or whatever completely to themselves, how do they deal with the -product- side? Or sales, or account management? They've been focused on juicing model's coding capabilities, but it's absolutely -not- "gen ai" enough to be doing the whol…

> I believe if this was true, we'd already be seeing vibed stuff succeeding everywhere, and pricing out incumbents, but I guess I'm not seeing this? Like at all? I'm substituting my own[0] vibe coding for buying[1] apps. Language mini-games to help with German? A few prompts. Fluid dynamics simulation for an airzooker? Vibed. A web app listening for a MIDI keyboard, upon which you can drop some .midi files, and get a…

> I'm substituting my own[0] vibe coding for buying[1] apps. Language mini-games to help with German? A few prompts. Fluid dynamics simulation for an airzooker? Vibed. A web app listening for a MIDI keyboard, upon which you can drop some .midi files, and get a rhythm action game to learn the piano? Vibed. Webcam for my Raspberry Pi? Vibed. Getting Marathon 2 (well, the open sourced and upgraded engine, Aleph One) working as a web app? Vibed. Isochrone maps? Vibed.

When do you have time for all of this? I don’t mean the vibing part but the using the app part.

I agree that agents are super good for one shotting throwaway code for tasks that would have required manual human actions previously but I would never have bothered buying an app for that.

Not having to deal with IT support for relatives is a win though since now I can just throw it at an LLM!

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