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Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Post by jackzombie » Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 1:49 AM UTC

mandelbr0t wrote: post #54

jackzombie wrote: post #13

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I totally agree. I feel that if something is important, than the message should not be only available to people who can afford to read/hear the message, but should be readily available for anyone who is willing to learn. Whenever I read a great book, or hear a great song, I try to promote it as much as possible because I think that it is important that the artist's message is heard and understood by as many people as…

Going at art in this way is backwards from the direction that children need to be taught. Not everyone is a potential scientist, or businessman...What about children who are born to be dancers? Or musicians? With this mind set, the arts will slowly degrade as children are shunned away from them due to an assumed "lack of money" in the business.

I don't believe that any job exists a priori in any person. Although if I were born with a better voice I would be a better singer. Bob Dylan wasn't blessed with a beautiful voice (as opposed to Bocelli) but he is still a great singer because he had the passion to learn how to sing. Nobody is born to be a dancer or accountant, these are skills that must be learned and developed.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Post by lvecsey » Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 7:26 AM UTC

nazgulnarsil wrote: post #24

The problem with digital distribution is that it fucks with our already imperfect understanding of how an economy functions. Our explanations of how price works generally relies upon supply and demand as well as the cost of production. How do you analyze these variables when supply is infinite and the cost of production is zero? This scares a lot of people. The more your business model relies on the status quo the mo…

I think it's wrong to assume that the economy, with the cash transaction at the heart of it, is somehow an immortal or god given / evolutionary design. Imagine if it was replaced with a smart-card where your transaction had a programmable, algorithmic component to it. Now all of a sudden the system can become a lot more creative, and even carry a 'vote' like characteristic that will survive multiple successive transfers.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Post by abas » Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 8:39 AM UTC

jacoblyles wrote: post #42

sangaya wrote: post #10

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The part about the kitten isn't directly relevant to the pirate bay, I'll give you that. Though I look at the cartoon as more of an over all social commentary about our current state of affairs; not "this is our situation." All too often the copyright lawyers said DMCA takedowns against just such videos. Heck they've sent takedowns to youtube because a person was singing copy written music ( cough viacom cough ). As…

>"The internet allows for piracy at a scale that far surpasses the scale of sharing tapes among friends, but it's not going away and need to be capitalized on." With services available like the Pirate Bay, an artist might have millions of fans enjoying his music but there will be no way for him to capitalize on it. The only way I can see to monetize bit torrent for artists are very indirect and way out of proportion…

>"The only way I can see to monetize bit torrent for artists are very indirect and way out of proportion to the enjoyment they create, akin to putting google ads on a popular website."

They don't necessarily have to do it over bit torrent. Television is available over bit torrent as well, and a lot of people use it to download shows. But now that hulu is around a lot of people are getting the same desire met through a channel that compensates the copyright holders.

I'm not sure what the corresponding setup would be for music.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Post by captainobvious » Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 8:22 PM UTC

tjr wrote: post #59

doki_pen wrote: post #46

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Musicians have always made a majority of their money from playing live shows(with some large exceptions, obviously). Do you need this backed up with facts? It's pretty well known. Albums are a great way to advertise your live music. It used to cost a ton of money to make a crappy recording. Now it's practically free to create a good recording. I don't see the point of the recording industry, frankly. I'm not willing…

And, in this home-grown music future, would people pay for recordings of good music? Or is recorded music just worthless? I produced a recording last year that cost about $20,000, to get best-of-class session players for the sound I was after. While I'd rather people hear the music than not, even if they don't pay for it, I would sure appreciate folks buying a copy.

Since under his utopia those session players will be basically out of work, they would be a lot cheaper and you could still make your album.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Post by kajecounterhack » Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 9:26 AM UTC

Xichekolas wrote: post #56

Retric wrote: post #51

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IMO, I think life + 20 is reasonable. To avoid upsetting company's like Disney a fee per work to preserve valuable copyright seems reasonable. I would say 10k / year + 5% of the gross sales would be reasonable. That way you promote new works, but don't need to fight corporations that want copy write to last until the end of time. It's also a good divider between works that people are actually interested in preserving…

I think "life" is sufficient. With that, someone can capitalize on their work for their entire career. Anything past death simply serves to allow offspring to ride the laurels of their parents. As for corporations, I'd be open to a pay-as-you-go system like you propose, only I'd make the payment grow at some exponential percentage. Say the first year costs $1 and the fee grows by 25% a year. Adjusted for 3% inflation…

lol what if someone commits murder for the sake of obtaining a copyright?

that's not actually that far-fetched if you think about it. well...maybe. big evil corporations are, after all, the stuff of movies haha