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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by pkulak »

ifwinterco wrote: post #155
raincole wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a product blow another product out of the water so hard as Claude Code did to Cursor.

Claude code is a decent harness but then you have to use Anthropic models, which are good but no longer the best bang for the buck. In particular Haiku 4.5 is rubbish, Anthropic don’t have anything in the cheap/fast part of the market. For people fortunate enough to still be on a subscription instead of per-token billing this is less relevant, but their time will come. The cursor model is quite nice because it allows…

I think the point is that CC was the first general use, terminal based harness. I think. Now you can use PI, or OpenCode, or whatever, and use any model you like.

Now, I’m no expert, because I was late to the game and have only ever used Pi. But I guess Cursor is some product that’s tied to your IDE? If so, then yeah. That’s just too restrictive. I still love my IDE, but I don’t want it to be my harness too.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by therealdrag0 »

raincole wrote: post #103
redox99 wrote: post #9

It's always been clear to me that Cursor's business model of reselling others' APIs had its days numbered. Not necessarily because the providers would pull the plug, but because you wouldn't be able to compete with subsidized plans. Cursor is already kind of useless for third party models unless you're willing to spend thousands of dollars. It's only worth it if you're going to use mostly grok/composer.

I've never seen a product blow another product out of the water so hard as Claude Code did to Cursor.

I saw that happen culturally. But never saw that much different in performance. And I really dislike terminal development. And their desktop app is really buggy.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by aeternum »

semiquaver wrote: post #16
ananmays wrote: post #12

> As AI capabilities advance, we also have a new level of accountability to ensure our upcoming model, Astra, is being used in accordance with our terms. I think Sam Altman has played a clever business move here, they can use this excuse immediately after the Hugging Face leaks and it's not going to be dismissed willy-nilly. Whereas long term they probably wanted to end their partnership with Cursor anyway. I bet Dar…

Is it really an excuse? As the release points out, musk admitted under oath to distilling OpenAI’s models to produce xai models on an ongoing basis. Whatever you think about goose for the gander wrt IP theft, I wouldn’t voluntarily do business with a competitor who was actively and brazenly flouting my terms, would you?

OpenAI's models are distilled from your HN posts

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by afiori »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #48
rgbrenner wrote: post #32

Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

>Musk admitted to distilling their models. what's the moat for AI labs like OpenAI and Antrhopic as they seek trillion IPOs. a lot of people said Chinese models also distill US LLM models. if it is this easy to do. how do US AI labs justify asking for trillion?

Markets and rationality are sometimes just acquaintances

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by therealdrag0 »

rippeltippel wrote: post #113

I may be a rare Cursor user around here, but I am saddened by this news. The thing that keeps me using it is precisely the ability to switch between models: I usually do brainstorm/planning with Sol or Terra, then let Composer (free) deal with the implementation. For certain tasks I use Claude, which tends to be more expensive but sometimes saves me time. Using both OpenAI and Anthropic models, Cursor is cheaper than…

I like Cursor. Honestly the biggest reason is the decent WYSIWYG markdown editor.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by cornholio »

rgbrenner wrote: post #32

Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

It's ironic how AI companies are re-inventing their own form of privately enforced copyright, lobby the government to ban foreign competitors that don't respect it etc., all while spending the last 5 years fighting tooth and nail against the copyright of the training material they're using.

If you can take any book and turn it into a model, because it's "transformative enough", and "AI learns just like a person does", then surely a model distilling another model is transformative and fair use.

They tied themselves into knots fighting the letter of the law, and now, when they need the spirit of the law - that each creator deserves protection for their work - now we devolve to the law of the jungle. Maybe we'll even see LLM book curses, the way medieval scribes damned book thieves to blindness and worms.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by jtwaleson »

raincole wrote: post #103
redox99 wrote: post #9

It's always been clear to me that Cursor's business model of reselling others' APIs had its days numbered. Not necessarily because the providers would pull the plug, but because you wouldn't be able to compete with subsidized plans. Cursor is already kind of useless for third party models unless you're willing to spend thousands of dollars. It's only worth it if you're going to use mostly grok/composer.

I've never seen a product blow another product out of the water so hard as Claude Code did to Cursor.

The tide is turning though. I was using the old non agent view in cursor every day for about a year when I built my startup with it. Then Claude Code blew it out of the water. But since two month or so I much prefer Codex and Cursor with the agent view.

However, what I see cooking at Cursor is way more promising than the others. Things like full system understanding, their own forge, multi-repo support. I'd put them as way more visionary in the Gartner magic Quadrant ;)

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by literalAardvark »

avazhi wrote: post #159
rgbrenner wrote: post #32

Anthropic already banned xAI for very similar ToS violations earlier this year: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46 So this is OpenAI following suit after Musk admitted to distilling their models. This was bound to happen once Cursor decided to sell itself to a competing model provider. It'll be interesting to see if Anthropic applies their ban to Cursor, or if that datacenter deal they signed wi…

Anthropic runs a significant portion of their compute on xAI hardware - why are you even talking about trying to suggest their relationship is acrimonious? Some of you guys hate Musk so much that you say blatantly nonsensical stuff. Like, how can you be on HN and authoritatively mouthing off and not have some idea about the xAI-Anthropic compute contract, or the fact that xAI took down its own Grok compute capability…

> how can you be on HN and not have some idea about the xAI-Anthropic compute contract

Some of us are still employed mate

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by gempir »

armcat wrote: post #164

You can still use it via API keys (answering my own question from earlier), https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2093515916076343774?s=46

The last time I tried an API Key in Cursor they limited it to the very basic Ask mode. No Agent Mode. So this is very much useless if still the case
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