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Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by mbesto »

dancemethis wrote: post #89
redox99 wrote: post #9

It's always been clear to me that Cursor's business model of reselling others' APIs had its days numbered. Not necessarily because the providers would pull the plug, but because you wouldn't be able to compete with subsidized plans. Cursor is already kind of useless for third party models unless you're willing to spend thousands of dollars. It's only worth it if you're going to use mostly grok/composer.

I will slightly disagree on a small slice: Their harness/instruction makes Opus/Fable so much better to work with. Honestly, _this_ was their moat more than Composer to me.

If the Opus/Fable harness is superior and it's written using Opus/Fable then it will cease to be a moat. Otherwise the premise for coding using LLMs is essentially untrue.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by girvo »

raincole wrote: post #103
redox99 wrote: post #9

It's always been clear to me that Cursor's business model of reselling others' APIs had its days numbered. Not necessarily because the providers would pull the plug, but because you wouldn't be able to compete with subsidized plans. Cursor is already kind of useless for third party models unless you're willing to spend thousands of dollars. It's only worth it if you're going to use mostly grok/composer.

I've never seen a product blow another product out of the water so hard as Claude Code did to Cursor.

Cursor has a surprising amount of inertia, though, at least where I work.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by rippeltippel »

I may be a rare Cursor user around here, but I am saddened by this news. The thing that keeps me using it is precisely the ability to switch between models: I usually do brainstorm/planning with Sol or Terra, then let Composer (free) deal with the implementation. For certain tasks I use Claude, which tends to be more expensive but sometimes saves me time.

Using both OpenAI and Anthropic models, Cursor is cheaper than having two separate subscriptions, and their free tier of Composer is good enough. I will now have to reconsider my options.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by Dylan16807 »

DANmode wrote: post #79
nab wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not so sure… Claude backtracked on this when they tried it

They played pigeon on discless videogame consoles a time or two, too. How long have you been in tech, outta curiosity? Edit: great answer.

> Edit: great answer.

What do you mean by that? If you're being sassy about a downvote then I'll remind you that when you reply to a comment, that person can't downvote your reply. Also this is an account with barely any comments or points, I'm pretty sure they can't downvote at all.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by idrissbellil »

rippeltippel wrote: post #113

I may be a rare Cursor user around here, but I am saddened by this news. The thing that keeps me using it is precisely the ability to switch between models: I usually do brainstorm/planning with Sol or Terra, then let Composer (free) deal with the implementation. For certain tasks I use Claude, which tends to be more expensive but sometimes saves me time. Using both OpenAI and Anthropic models, Cursor is cheaper than…

It's very easy to achieve that and more with: Crush (or Opencode) + OpenRouter right from the terminal. Takes a minute to setup.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by chr15m »

ezfe wrote: post #83
chr15m wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you possibly allow companies to push you? You are the customer and you should control which models you use.

Because one is better or worse? What else do you think they meant?

OP said:

> as a Cursor and Claude subscriber, but not an OpenAI subscriber, this will push me back to Anthropic

Instead of deciding based on the merits of the model, they are being pushed by the actions of the companies. You should be able to use the best model, or whatever model you like, independently of what any company thinks or does.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by ryanjshaw »

gexla wrote: post #22

I don't see how it makes sense to use models outside of Grok or Composer in cursor unless you like the tooling to such degree that you're willing to pay out the nose for access to OpenAI and Anthropic to use with that tooling. And Codex is regularly scoring towards the top among harnesses, so you might as well use the best harness available for the given model. I'm happy with Grok and Composer in Cursor. If Cursor wa…

Because I pay $60 per month and not using the included API tokens on other models is wasteful.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by Maxious »

AnonHP wrote: post #14

My guess is that OpenAI now has a full blown Cursor equivalent in development (an expansion of Codex?) and will announce it in September. Otherwise it stands to lose those who are used to working with Cursor.

OpenAI acquired Ona in June https://openai.com/index/openai-to-acquire-ona/

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by Maxious »

auscompgeek wrote: post #18
demibabs wrote: post #3

Wow, I don’t use cursor but that seems pretty bad for them. Is there a way to work around this (like using your OpenAI limits directly?)

Cursor does currently allow users to BYO OpenAI token. Given Cursor won't have access to OpenAI models for prompt engineering/evals though, there's definitely a question of whether they'd allow picking any new OpenAI models, assuming the BYOK option continues to exist at all.

Email to customers now "We’re speaking with the OpenAI team to resolve this, and we will share more in the coming weeks around continuity of access to OpenAI models. We’ll continue to offer ways to access all models in Cursor.

Re: Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX

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Post by mmastrac »

idrissbellil wrote: post #115
rippeltippel wrote: post #113

I may be a rare Cursor user around here, but I am saddened by this news. The thing that keeps me using it is precisely the ability to switch between models: I usually do brainstorm/planning with Sol or Terra, then let Composer (free) deal with the implementation. For certain tasks I use Claude, which tends to be more expensive but sometimes saves me time. Using both OpenAI and Anthropic models, Cursor is cheaper than…

It's very easy to achieve that and more with: Crush (or Opencode) + OpenRouter right from the terminal. Takes a minute to setup.

If you can explain how to make compaction not suck in opencode or Kilo Code, I would love to know how. I am really trying to make use of other harnesses but that's a major sticking point.
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