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Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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If you haven't read Greg Egan's Permutation City , the fact that you clicked on this discussion means you'll get get a lot out of it.

Yes! I was also reminded of the truth mines in Diaspora.

This work feels more like The Truth Mines in Diaspora. Permutation city seems relevant only if you think LLMs are hosts to minds.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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I have two thoughts simultaneously about the anthropomorphisation of these systems:

1. we should do it less, because it distorts our ability to think about them properly. Calling these processes 'thinking', 'holidays', etc invites the reader to bring along ideas and expectations that aren't justified by what's happening in the system.

2. it's good to keep doing it, because repeated use reduces the specialness or magic that people seem to reserve for our own behavior ("It's not really intelligent/thinking/reasoning/creative") without any justification for that position beyond feelings.

I'm leaning towards the second.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! I was also reminded of the truth mines in Diaspora.

This work feels more like The Truth Mines in Diaspora. Permutation city seems relevant only if you think LLMs are hosts to minds.

I disagree for several reasons, but I don't want to spoil the plot with an explanation of why.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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I have two thoughts simultaneously about the anthropomorphisation of these systems: 1. we should do it less, because it distorts our ability to think about them properly. Calling these processes 'thinking', 'holidays', etc invites the reader to bring along ideas and expectations that aren't justified by what's happening in the system. 2. it's good to keep doing it, because repeated use reduces the specialness or magi…

I definitely belong to the latter camp. After LLMs I view everything humans do very systematically and whenever said thing still feels fuzzy I just treat it as having a noise/smoothing term

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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If you haven't read Greg Egan's Permutation City , the fact that you clicked on this discussion means you'll get get a lot out of it.

Great book. I first read it 10 years ago, I think it would benefit from a re-read.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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I have two thoughts simultaneously about the anthropomorphisation of these systems: 1. we should do it less, because it distorts our ability to think about them properly. Calling these processes 'thinking', 'holidays', etc invites the reader to bring along ideas and expectations that aren't justified by what's happening in the system. 2. it's good to keep doing it, because repeated use reduces the specialness or magi…

I spent a long time with custom harness design and found the terminology to be a key part of the work, since the concepts are new. I dropped the term "agent" altogether in favour of "thread" for that very reason.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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That's exciting, and kind of makes sense in retrospect. Sometimes a "fresh pair of eyes" on a problem can be all you need. Someone who comes in with a different background and can understand the problem in different terms and work on it from a different angle. It doesn't even have to be them doing the work, just a "that kind of reminds me of ... did you think about trying something like that?" that can get a team unstuck after thinking about it in the same way and never making progress.

Re: Autonomous Mathematical Discovery in an Open-World Multi-Agent Environment

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This work feels more like The Truth Mines in Diaspora. Permutation city seems relevant only if you think LLMs are hosts to minds.

I disagree for several reasons, but I don't want to spoil the plot with an explanation of why.

So why comment then
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