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Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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Re: Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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post #13

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Of course it is still widely used.

Define widely used; I probably haven’t used it once in the last 15 years and have heard it maybe twice. Source: lifelong German speaker

I am also a native German and have heard it a lot in my lifetime. Of course not daily, but it is definitely still used today.

Re: Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

#62
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively "disimprovement". Via https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=49... and https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=16...

Also misimprovement.

I don't think either of these 2 quite get the point across with the same "wavelengths" getting included.

Re: Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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post #42

What about "worseprovement"

Isn't the English word more or less "regression"? If you want to coin a new word, how about updowngrade?

"updowngrade", funnily enough, I would understand as having the (IMO misunderstood/wrong) meaning you're trying to give to "Verschlimmbesserung" in your post here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49483585 (making some parts better and some other parts worse.)

That's not what "worseprovement" conveys to me, you can worseprove a single part, intending to make it better, making that same thing actually worse by the very same change.

Re: Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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post #48
post #40

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My understanding is that a Verschlimmbesserung stems from a genuine intent to improve something, even though it ultimately has the opposite effect.

I don't remember hearing or using it in this context. It's pretty rare that the goal was to make something worse and if the outcome is only bad, you can just call it bad, right? The word is only needed to communicate that there were good and bad outcomes.

Just calling it bad does not include the intent of improving it. Verschlimmbesserung does.

Re: Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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post #3

I'd say enshitification is a good enough word. Verschlimmbesserung is not widely used these days in Germany.

> I'd say enshitification is a good enough word.

Enshittification is when the perpetrator intentionally does make a product worse, like locking previously free features behind a paywall with a firmware update, or covers components of an electric device with some goop to make it unrepairable.

Verschlimmbesserung is when the perpetrator has good but ultimately misguided intentions. For example, so middle manager might think that replacing but buttons on a vacuum cleaner with app integration adds value, but ultimately it's replacing something simple, boring and reliable with an overengineered solution that causes more problems than it solves.

There is some overlap between the two: someone could make make a Verschlimmbesserung even though he knows no one wants the change, but he can pad his resume with it. In general I'd say enshittification leans more towards malice, while Verschlimmbesserung leans more towards incompetence.

> Verschlimmbesserung is not widely used these days in Germany.

Yes, it is.

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