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Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by watutalkinbout »

zmgsabst wrote: post #73
watutalkinbout wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it may appear bigger than it is" Except that it's by far the largest in the US based on the data.

Who have they assassinated in the last 10 years? We have leftwing examples from Charlie Kirk for speech to the live-streamed execution of Antonio Mays Jr for joyriding on leftwing militia turf.

I don't think even most of the right in the US believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, based on the volume of conspiracy stuff I've seen.

I know he hasn't been convicted, and unless I'm wrong, federal investigators have found no confirmed ties to organised left wing groups.

Antonio Mays Jr's killing is still unsolved.

Check the data, it's not a secret.

https://ibb.co/R4b32CWy

The extreme right massively outperforms the left, which I'm sure is in part due to the right wing obsession with owning as much stuff as possible to kill people with as you can.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

ranger_danger wrote: post #87
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Antifa doesn't really exist? Please explain people waving antifa flags, wearing antifa badges / clothing, putting antifa in their social media profiles? With this kind of logic, no terrorist group really exists.

I think they mean it is not an "organization" in the sense that there is no structure or hierarchy, no boss, no headquarters etc. They might as well be called "Anonymous".

Okay - but Antifa is still a thing, it exists. There are antifa telegram groups, there were people that identified as being antifa who came together and attacked immigration and customs enforcement officers and are in prison for it. The statement that antifa doesn't exist is not the same statement as antifa is not a hierarchal or centralized organization.

Also, just FYI, one of the more prominent early members of the hacker collective anonymous was a federal informant named Aubrey Cottle (aka Kirtaner) who was a long-time Something Awful forum member with a very sordid past. Anonymous really wasn't that anonymous - it was full of feds and essentially a psyop.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by keepthegoop606 »

whatthesmack wrote: post #49
rambojohnson wrote: post #18

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> the US is a fucking joke. > being anti-fascist is extremist? since when? The joke is the people performing the acts of fascists that then claim to be anti-fascist. They simply do not recognize or acknowledge their own fascist, mob-like behavior, but apply the label to all of their enemies. They've read and heeded Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. The US is one of the only countries taking the Antif…

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Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by [deleted] »

whatthesmack wrote: post #49
rambojohnson wrote: post #18

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> the US is a fucking joke. > being anti-fascist is extremist? since when? The joke is the people performing the acts of fascists that then claim to be anti-fascist. They simply do not recognize or acknowledge their own fascist, mob-like behavior, but apply the label to all of their enemies. They've read and heeded Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. The US is one of the only countries taking the Antif…

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Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

rithdmc wrote: post #79
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. 30 years ago - in the mid-1990s - 100% of all terror attacks were carried out by white Christians, often by groups like the Irish Republicans. Can you give an example of even one "islamist" attack from that time period?

Ramzi Yousef, famous Irish Republican terrorist.

Don't know who that is.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by scarecrowbob »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #93
ranger_danger wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they mean it is not an "organization" in the sense that there is no structure or hierarchy, no boss, no headquarters etc. They might as well be called "Anonymous".

Okay - but Antifa is still a thing, it exists. There are antifa telegram groups, there were people that identified as being antifa who came together and attacked immigration and customs enforcement officers and are in prison for it. The statement that antifa doesn't exist is not the same statement as antifa is not a hierarchal or centralized organization. Also, just FYI, one of the more prominent early members of the…

What you're missing is that while it's certainly true that there are plenty of small groups working from the antifacist position, the claim isn't simply that these groups exits- the claim (by the US gov) is that these groups are organized and funded in a top-down manner. Hence the "puppet master" style operations that they so hilariously failed at running against these groups.

The idea that they can find the folks organizing and funding these "cells" is a big part of the US gov's premise on how it is going to "fight" these "cells".

It's not stated as explicitly as that, so it's not surprising that folks don't pick up on that distinction between "distributed groups who agree on principle but don't have any material connections" and "top down, hierarchical structures funded by singlular sources".

But the folks running the US gov don't even see the folks who disagree with them as human, much less as having a legible and understandable grievance. So it's not surprising to me that they just project their own authoritarian and top-down organizational preferences onto other groups of humans doing stuff.

So sure, "antifa" exists. But it's categorically different than how the US government is trying to say it exists, and that's an important distinction.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by nkmnz »

thunderfork wrote: post #89
nkmnz wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's generally considered rude to stop reading one sentence into a message in order to shoot off pithy replies

The author did not take a stance on the question if Hamas and Iran are leftist Muslims or far-right Islamists, so I dared to ask. You might not believe this, but many German leftist - even moderate ones - supported explicitly the Islamic Revolution, as well as the first or second Intifada. The author might include Hamas and IIR into his conclusion of some groups being "inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group", but by observation, that doesn't seem to be true once your own out-group (i.e., Capitalists, Jews, and Jewish Capitalists) seems even more inherently scary to you than some Islamist thousands of miles away. It's also not true for the governments of Russia or China, which are neither Muslim nor Islamist, thus not part of the proclaimed Iranian "in-group", but they are not at all scared of them.

Furthermore, the author's claims demote "left" and "right" to some kind of synonyms of what they have labeld as "good" and "bad" on their personal moral compass, robbing them of any systematic meaning in political reality; those definitions match neither scientific consensus, nor the way people self-select into groups that call themselves either "left" or "right", nor the way these terms are used to describe policies. The reason is simple: the goals that he attributes to his idea of what "left" means cannot be achieved and sustained on the scale of modern governments and states without the means of authoritarianism, which is, by his definition, exclusively a "far-right" thing.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Post by pianoben »

whatthesmack wrote: post #49
rambojohnson wrote: post #18

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> the US is a fucking joke. > being anti-fascist is extremist? since when? The joke is the people performing the acts of fascists that then claim to be anti-fascist. They simply do not recognize or acknowledge their own fascist, mob-like behavior, but apply the label to all of their enemies. They've read and heeded Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. The US is one of the only countries taking the Antif…

Not since the venerable Joe McCarthy has America taken this threat with the seriousness it merits. I can only count the days until we get a proper House Antifa Terrorism and Extremism committee.

NSA, if you're reading, please relay this to Mike Johnson post-haste. America is so close to being great again!

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