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U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Yep I just donated $1000

Ouch.

A good friend of mine was charged with providing material support to terrorists for providing similar donations. And all his donations were prior to the US designating the recipients as terrorists. The government's arguments were "Yes yes, but you knew what you were supporting even though we hadn't designated them as such..."

Hope you're not in the US.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Yep I just donated $1000

Can I ask what you're hoping the organization does with that money? I'm genuinely interested in understanding what the expected outcome is.

Servers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto.

> We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals

Yes, they select the users. But clearly to exclude services to those they would judge as bad actors!

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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> Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft This is already an extreme perversion of justice all on its own. Damaging military equipment is absolutely outside any useful definition of terrorism. This is simply armed conflict.

Damaging property for political ends has been part of the definition in the UK, and I think the US, for decades. I would say the case for targetting military equipment is stronger than for damaging most other things. > This is simply armed conflict. Armed conflict by residents and citizens against the state is usually a serious criminal offense everywhere.

> Damaging property for political ends

Damaging military equipment is a military end, not a political one. If it were otherwise, then a military attacking a military would definitionally be terrorism. At that point, you've removed the utility of the word "terrorism" from English and made it synonymous with "armed conflict."

Terrorism being done chiefly to change policies by terrorizing people through symbolic acts is a constrained, generally-accepted definition of terrorism.

Contrast with 9/11, where symbols of American capitalism, filled with civilians, were attacked in order to terrify people who have nothing to do with those buildings into supporting changes in policy that hurt the US.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions. What is this?

The US govt is trying to brand "antifascism" as a terrorist ideology. They host antifa stuff.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Could the persons that mention the PKK all over this thread kindly find links now that noblogs.org is partly dysfunctional and autistici.org is down?

Google Search yields a very small amount of third party support for the PKK, all unreachable now.

I cannot find any evidence at all and neither can LLMs that this organization has ever directly supported the PKK or hosted a PKK website.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

#238

Everyone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n... If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem. What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?

In a much lighter but similar move, Suno is now associating exporting generated music with the behavior of "bad actors."

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project ruled that knowingly providing material support to designated terrorist organizations is not protected by the first amendment. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/1 But I'm curious about your take on this. How would you argue the first amendment protects this?

So it's trivial that if you are the government and you want to arrest someone for speech, you first call them a terrorist organisation and then you can arrest them for speech? Ridiculous.

I don’t know much about this, but are you considering “material support or resources” the same thing as speech?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Yep I just donated $1000

Ouch. A good friend of mine was charged with providing material support to terrorists for providing similar donations. And all his donations were prior to the US designating the recipients as terrorists. The government's arguments were "Yes yes, but you knew what you were supporting even though we hadn't designated them as such..." Hope you're not in the US.

Your friend has integrity and should hold their head up high they are fighting against oppressive bullshit
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