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Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> Currently we face three major types of terror groups: > • Narcoterrorists and Transnational Gangs > • Legacy Islamist Terrorists > • Violent Left-Wing Extremists, including Anarchists and Anti-Fascist It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied. From 2020: > First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United Stat…

> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied. OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. Then we take all the drug related killings (in which drug users have a responsibility btw: I don't care if they should be legal or not, they're not and you're evil if you support in a…

> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.

Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the American right to demonize Muslims by pointing out that there's an Islamist right. The far right is always inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group.

> Leftists somehow tried to dissociate themselves from all the socialist promises that got Hitler elected.

Even though the Soviets and the Nazis did collaborate, Hitler wasn't a leftist by any definition of the word. Both sides of the collaboration hated each other's guts and figured they'd be able to beat the other once they silenced their mutual threat: liberals and liberal socialists[1]. Hitler was clearly sponsored by German and American[0] business interests looking to maintain their wealth by any means necessary - including putting a meth-addled idiot in power. Everything that "seems socialist" about Hitler (or Stalin[1], or Trump, or Napoleon) is either a concession, or a lie, made to fool people at the margins of the left wing.

The ultimate goal of any fascist is to divide and conquer the people by using non-class divisions (e.g. race, language, religion) to keep the people from realizing whose boot is on their neck. In America this was "Why would you join a union? Do you want to be paid the same as a black person!?". In Germany this was "Why would you vote socialist? Don't you know the Jews made that up!?". The labels are different but the effect is the same: don't join together and fight us, your friends and neighbors are your real enemy.

> And it's kinda, sorta, indeed not a world where "far-right" terrorism ain't that much of a big thing.

It stops being far-right terrorism when the far-right is in power. There's no need to maintain a large insurgency against... what, exactly? Yourself?

[0] Casual reminder that Henry Ford was a huge Hitlerite and that cars are inherently Hitlertech.

[1] Hitler was an example of what happens when the reactionary counter-revolution succeeds. But there's a second possibility: the reactionaries only succeed at pushing the left in a far more authoritarian direction. A Reign of Terror happens, in which both the reactionaries and left-libertarians are purged as equal traitors to the revolution. This continues to burn through the political hierarchy until the forest fire runs out of fuel to burn, Robespierre is hung by his own guillotine, and Thermidor comes. Russia's communists went down the same path the French left did a hundred years ago, and that's why you sometimes hear socialists say "true socialism has never been tried".

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> Currently we face three major types of terror groups: > • Narcoterrorists and Transnational Gangs > • Legacy Islamist Terrorists > • Violent Left-Wing Extremists, including Anarchists and Anti-Fascist It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied. From 2020: > First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United Stat…

Also wild that they're willing to just put "Anti-Fascist" in there as the enemy - if you're anti-anti-fascist, that's kind of hiding in plain sight, as if they weren't already. Simply staggering to think that in such a short space of time a country can head off the rails quite so much, but it should be instructional - whenever you look at history, the collapse often happens slowly - and then all at once...

"Anti-Fascism" is not an objective terminology to describe a stance against fascism. There are a million ways in which you can oppose fascism, most of which follow democratic traditions of the social, classical liberal, or conservative flavor.

Antifascism is a self-designation of popcultural dimensions, similar to a Che Guevara shirt. It can be appropriated by anybody who's willing to sign off on the same vague image of an enemy. I have no idea if there are, indeed, terroristic cells in the US that appropriated the brand of Antifascism, but there are some in Germany[0][1].

But more interestingly, the brand hasn't always been free of ownership: it was first created by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) in 1932 as a part of their internal and external stalinisation and their adoption of authoritarian structures and policies, which started from 1928 under the influence of the USSR. During that time, KPD proclaimed the main fascist adversary to be no other than the Social Democrats (SPD):

"Stalinisation of the KPD began under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann. Freedom of discussion and internal democracy were replaced piece by piece by (...) authoritarian leadership. (...) in 1929 Thälmann and Stalin agreed upon an ultra-left course against the SPD, concluding that the Social Democrats represented a form of 'social fascism'. (...) The theory of social fascism dictated that Nazis and Social Democrats were essentially two sides of the same coin. The primary enemy of the Communists was supposedly the Social Democrats" [2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_left-wing_extremism_tr...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Complex

[2] https://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the-german-left-and-the...

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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So is Christianity and the GOP. What's your point?

Antifacist, styled "antifa," and Republican are adjectives like Christian. Christianity and the GOP are massive, documented networks with representatives and hierarchies.

So without a hierarchy, things scare you to the point of declaring them terroists?

So why aren't you screaming about the horrors of OSS and family parties?

(BTW Christianity does not have a hierachy, not a universal one anyway, some groups do of course, like the Catholics... but the baptists, various orthodoxies, and many many more groups don't recognize that hierarchy).

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied. OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. Then we take all the drug related killings (in which drug users have a responsibility btw: I don't care if they should be legal or not, they're not and you're evil if you support in a…

> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the Am…

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Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> Currently we face three major types of terror groups: > • Narcoterrorists and Transnational Gangs > • Legacy Islamist Terrorists > • Violent Left-Wing Extremists, including Anarchists and Anti-Fascist It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied. From 2020: > First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United Stat…

“legacy” islamist terrorists? as if a violent ideology that’s been around for centuries simply gets deprecated like IE6? if only it were that easy.

Centuries? 1900's to 2000's or is there more? please elaborate and educate us.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Yes, anyone who has been paying attention knows that this administration has been designating people who disagree with them politically or socially, or in some cases groups like antifa that don't really exist, as terrorist groups. This substantially escalated with nspm7 as reported by Ken Klippenstein.

Antifa doesn't really exist? Please explain people waving antifa flags, wearing antifa badges / clothing, putting antifa in their social media profiles? With this kind of logic, no terrorist group really exists.

There was a pride festival recently during which people were wearing rainbow clothing and waving flags. Do you think all of those people are part of an organization with leaders and "cells" or whatever? Or, maybe, they were all just expressing the same sentiment and using flags and colors and badges to do it?

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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Yes, anyone who has been paying attention knows that this administration has been designating people who disagree with them politically or socially, or in some cases groups like antifa that don't really exist, as terrorist groups. This substantially escalated with nspm7 as reported by Ken Klippenstein.

Antifa doesn't really exist? Please explain people waving antifa flags, wearing antifa badges / clothing, putting antifa in their social media profiles? With this kind of logic, no terrorist group really exists.

I think they mean it is not an "organization" in the sense that there is no structure or hierarchy, no boss, no headquarters etc.

They might as well be called "Anonymous".

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the Am…

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Yes, the Ayatollahs were very notable in using foreign media to provide cover while they turned a liberal revolution into a far-right Islamist one. I believe there was also a few radical feminists who were so pissed off about America they thought Osama was one of the good guys. The history of left-wing own goals is frustratingly long.

Idiots aside, Islamism is obviously far-right. Okay, left- and right- don't have good definitions as is, as they were defined in response to where people physically sat in the Estates General during the French Revolution. But I can at least point to a few properties that are manifestly right-wing and why Islamists all tick those boxes:

1. Right-wing politics supports and defends already-established power structures. Islam (Sunni-Shia divide notwithstanding) is an established power structure; in fact, it's the dominant power structure in the region. Ergo, Islamism supports and defends an established power structure: a specific religion.

2. Right-wing politics is Wilhoitist: it believes in an in-group, to whom the law protects but does not bind; and that the law binds but does not protect the out-group. Islamism specifically wants an Islamic theocracy, that's about as Wilhoitist as it gets.

3. Right-wing politics demonizes the other, to the point of spreading lies about people outside their preferred in-group. Whenever there's someone shitting on Islam you can count on Islamists to make shit up about them to stoke the flames of outrage.

To me, at least, those properties alone are enough to confidently put Islamism in the far-right bin. The fact that some ignorant leftists do the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bit without actually reading what's on the tin is immaterial.

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks. Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the Am…

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It's generally considered rude to stop reading one sentence into a message in order to shoot off pithy replies

Re: Autistici/Inventati's main .org domain goes dark after US terrorism designation

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"it may appear bigger than it is" Except that it's by far the largest in the US based on the data.

Who have they assassinated in the last 10 years? We have leftwing examples from Charlie Kirk for speech to the live-streamed execution of Antonio Mays Jr for joyriding on leftwing militia turf.

See table here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Additiona...
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