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Re: Get your Windows license refund

#51
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I don't even know how I got Windows 11 at this point 900 reinstalls later. I build all my own pcs. I must have paid for a key at some point, potentially.

> I don't know how that KMS AIO tool got on my hard drive, officer; I swear it isn't mine! Someone must have dropped it there accidentally.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#52
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

would be interested to see comparison: 1. windows + hdd 2. windows + ssd 3. linux + ssd I know that Linux can greatly speed up startup, but more likely that ssd gave bigger impact.

I think we spend a little bit too much time optimising startup time. Anything more than 3 seconds and less than 45 seconds is perceptibly the same, it's the same level of inconvenience unless you're in a rush. .. but I can't honestly tell you the last time I booted my Macbook from cold. Worthwhile suspend/resume is a much better goal for the modern computer user... Windows fucked us all with s2idle, including themsel…

On Windows, Hibernate works a treat.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

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> the vast majority of laptops are only sold with a specific proprietary operating system: Microsoft Windows. The vendors do not remove the Windows license, and you must pay the entire price, even if you do not want to use this system. This is unfair and we want to change it! Consumers should be able to buy laptops without any specific operating system, and should not have to pay the license price if they don't want…

Sure, but imagine how funny it would be if you could buy something from Apple and get a refund because you don't want to use their OS.

And this is what's wrong with hardware like Apple: it's sold as a general computing device and is able to run alternative operating systems, however Apple doesn't want you doing that. And so they've set this expectation with consumers that: hey we're an ecosystem play, we don't care if you like our hardware and not our software because they're a package deal. Consumers not caring about this is dangerous in the long term, because if we continue down this path the open compute market is going to dwindle and become less and less accessible. You're not a business that has a license to buy open hardware? Sorry buddy, you have two choices: Apple and Microsoft. Good luck! - is where I, personally, don't want to see this continue moving.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#55
post #54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

I think they should note that on the page, because it makes it look like Dell is a bad vendor but in practice they're one of the better ones, in this aspect.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

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post #54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

That's not true for all of Dell, I just tried their online store in other countries and it is bundling Windows licenses there.

Here's a few examples:

- https://www.dell.com/pt-br/shop/notebooks-dell/notebook-dell...

- https://www.dell.com/it-it/shop/notebook-dell/nuovo-notebook...

Re: Get your Windows license refund

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post #54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

Especially if you buy a Ubuntu laptop ;)

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#58
post #2

This is great. It tells you how many manufacturers make it easy and difficult to get refunds. ASUS is the most specific one, albeit their refund range is between 9 and 65 EUR. Great work.

I honestly would assume that’s a pretty honest price for an OEM license paid by a company as big as Asus, they definitely don’t pay retail!

Why do you assume that? I’m genuinely asking. I’m aware of big companies generally paying lower rates for things, but I believe that’s usually driven by the increased leverage a big buyer has, while Asus has absolutely no leverage, if they switch to Linux today they’ll be out of business tomorrow. It certainly costs MS less to deal with one professional org than a million flaky individuals, but price is determined by supply and demand, not cost. Maybe it’s limited by calculation of its effect on Asus’ wellbeing, preserving them as a major customer?

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#59
post #54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

You can but the price is the same.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#60
Looks like this is Italy-only.

I’m pretty sure (though I have no record of it) that I asked ASUS Australia through their online channels before I bought my current laptop six years ago, and they said no. I never tried following it up more closely. In truth at that stage I didn’t mind having a Windows license, it was convenient for testing certain things occasionally. But I haven’t booted into it for at least three years now other than a couple of times to verify that the keyboard problems are hardware, not software.

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