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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by estearum »

digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

I don't think that'd require a Constitutional amendment, would it?

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by estearum »

horsawlarway wrote: post #145
noir_lord wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the Gish gallop applied to a legal/legislative system - it just can't keep up with the sheer volume of cases that would need to be brought to curtail even the worst of it and that's assuming that if/when it eventually gets in front of the supreme court that that "august" body actually does curtail it.

Yes - because the system is trying to prevent the flood by piling up sticks instead of removing the source of water. It's in failure mode (intentionally, is my read) because while it might eventually declare "x is not legal" at no point is it discouraging the people who did X (and have now also done y, z, 1, 2, and 3 - all also likely illegal) because there is zero actual accountability at the personal level. If your…

The problem is that courts are getting flooded but it's up to Congress (de facto the Republican party) to remove the source of water.

But they're a mixture of exclusively cultists or cowards so they won't do it.

They need to be charged with any and every crime they can credibly be accused of so this calculus changes in the future.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by bell-cot »

digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

Could you tell us why the politicians - who are the only ones who have the power to amend the Constitution - would be interested in doing that?

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by zaphar »

digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

This is impossible until a critical mass of voters across every state starts putting competence and integrity ahead of their pet issue and populism. If you actually want to start making headway in this direction you have to stop voting for candidates in either of the main parties. The parties are probably not salvageable. Find a third party candidate with these qualities and vote for them and convince as many people as you can to vote for them.

If we can't do that then we are just stuck as a body politic.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by harimau777 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #140
londons_explore wrote: post #136

Presumably this is going to lead to anthropic getting a big payday from the US gov for all the time their flagship product was banned and all the users they lost due to it

The case is not about that though

I thought that the blacklisting was what led to them losing the business? Didn't the blacklisting effectively mean that contractors couldn't use Anthropic because it was supposedly a supply chain risk?

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mc32 wrote: post #141
whalesalad wrote: post #138

Unlawful means absolutely nothing these days.

Right, like the student debt forgiveness. We hate the ones we disagree with and we love the ones we agree with.

Debt forgiveness was dumb too. It normalized capricious government handouts for volitional actions. After the Corinthian shutdown there was little excuse for taking on massive debt for BS degrees.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by Tangurena2 »

whalesalad wrote: post #138

Unlawful means absolutely nothing these days.

Congress is supposed to hold the Executive branch accountable. They deliberately refuse to do so because keeping their cult in power is all that matters to them.
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